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Date Posted:2022-03-30 07:40:45Copy HTML

The longer this goes on, the more I see Ukraine as being just another cold war ball for each side to kick around. The initial attack on the Russian economy by the west has just about run its course and now the Rouble has recovered, China, India and most of the rich middle eastern states still back Russia and Putin and he has never been so popular with his own people. I see talk of him being ousted as a matter of course but I'm beginning to doubt that very much, as he has an iron grip on all of the Russian institutions of state and security. Any war of attrition, which this is turning into, will always favour Russia, with its massive resources and with the west declining to go any further than it has, I can't see it going but one way. The west might close its Moscow McDonalds and a few other tokenisms but the fact is, Russia has Europe by the goolies, as we have been idiotic enough to become dependent of Russian energy, which will always be our Achilles heel. We are stuck on the Russian tit. Here in Europe a few years ago the ruling classes in Brussels issued a diktat stating that diesel engines were cleaner than petrol ones, a blatant pile of crap if ever there was one. Any person with an inkling of knowledge of engines knew this was a blatant lie and who benefitted most from it? The German car industry. Here in Britain, following our decades long policy of getting everything produced abroad, we gave up refining our own fuels on a huge scale and guess who refines all of our Diesel? Yep, Russia. There is now talk of Diesel rationing later in the year and if that happens where will our shops get their goods from? Russia holds all the cards, as far as I can see. Gas and electricity are now set to rise by up to 400% in Britain in the next two years and our political class have only added to the crisis by pampering to the ridiculous green lobby. Naturally they're having to quietly backtrack now as their own political futures are in jeopardy. Do you know that 25% of all we pay over here for energy is a green tax? If the war has any benefit for us, it will be the dawning of an energy reality in the corridors of power.

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A  German I knew way back when, grew up in Nazi Germany. She told stories of Russian troops looting German towns & ripping faucets off the walls of homes & sending them back home to Russia thinking that by attaching them to the walls of their houses they would produce water. Russia still seems more backward than their European neighbors after all these years of living in a "workers paradise."

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It seems Art most of Britains problems with fuel are self induced by your own politicans. How can fuel prices now be affecting you when a tank full of gas will take you around the whole island probably twice.

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A  German I knew way back when, grew up in Nazi Germany. She told stories of Russian troops looting German towns & ripping faucets off the walls of homes & sending them back home to Russia thinking that by attaching them to the walls of their houses they would produce water. Russia still seems more backward than their European neighbors after all these years of living in a "workers paradise."


This is what happened then and now Tommy when you let an untrained, uneducated, poor, conscript arm loose unsupervised.

They have never been taught any morals from childhood to adulthood.

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It's like this, I have a diesel vehicle which does 30 to the gallon and a gallon of diesel costs £7.50, which equates to just about $12 Canadian. Still fancy touring? Yes, the govt takes just about 80% of that price in tax.
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It's like this, I have a diesel vehicle which does 30 to the gallon and a gallon of diesel costs £7.50, which equates to just about $12 Canadian. Still fancy touring? Yes, the govt takes just about 80% of that price in tax.

30kms to a gal or 30 mpg? If it's 30mpg then that's not bad. My van only gets 25mpg. Fuel prices are high because the OPEC Nations that produce it control the price and are keeping it high. There is no real shortage in North America like we are lead to believe. More gas would just cost more money for us to buy that we aren't use to paying..

If it's 30mpg then you get you should still be able to drive around your area to go grocery shopping etc. You just can't do too much extended driving. Don't drive to the local I hope? Driving there and back 7 days a week could get expensive.

Do you grocery shop daily like they use to do before having freezers and fridges over there. Or can you stock up now and avoid the daily road traffic etc.

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Russia still seems more backward than their European neighbors after all these years of living in a "workers paradise."

That's pretty well helped to lead to the break up of the USSR Tommy. People were starting to demand a higher standard of living like the EU countries already had. If you go to any of those break away satellite countries now you will see a vast improvement in living standards since they left.

Ukraine was a perfect example or should I say was, until the Russians destroyed it on purpose.

Must have been hard on the average Russian soldier crossing into Ukraine and seeing street lights and running water for the very first time.

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House Speaker Nancy Pelosi became the most senior US official to meet with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky this weekend with her unannounced trip to Kyiv. 

 

Pelosi's office said Sunday that the speaker had led an official congressional delegation to Ukraine -- the first since the Russian invasion of the country began on February 24.

 

Zelensky shared a video Sunday of his meeting with the delegation and thanked the US for its support of Ukraine against Russian aggression.

 

In the clip, Pelosi is seen telling Zelensky, "We are visiting you to say thank you for your fight for freedom, that we're on a frontier of freedom and that your fight is a fight for everyone. And so our commitment is to be there for you until the fight is done."

 

But the visit comes as Russia's brutal war enters a new phase, with no end in sight. Here's the latest: 

 

Civilian evacuation route pausedThe evacuation of civilians from the besieged southern Ukrainian city of Mariupol has been paused until Monday, the Mariupol City Council announced Sunday, citing "security reasons."

 

The city council said in a Telegram post that the evacuation would recommence at 8 a.m. local time near a shopping center in Mariupol. The announcement came hours after Zelensky had announced that the evacuation of civilians from the besieged Azovstal steel plant in Mariupol was underway.

 

Zelensky said later Sunday that, for the first time, the vital corridor to evacuate civilians from the plant had started working, adding that more than 100 civilians had been evacuated. But the complex came under fire again Sunday night, according to a Ukrainian soldier in Mariupol who spoke to Ukrainian television.

 

Thousands of war crimes being investigated. The prosecutor general of Ukraine said her office is opening new cases of alleged war crimes by Russian forces, with a total of 9,158 criminal cases "involving purely war crimes."

 

Prosecutor Iryna Venediktova said on Ukrainian television: "We have already identified specific war criminals," adding, "There are 15 people in the Kyiv region, for instance; 10 of them in Bucha. We are holding them accountable for torture, rape and looting."

 

Ukrainian prosecutors named 10 Russian soldiers last week as being suspected of a variety of crimes in Bucha.

 

Ready for the long game. Last week, responding to pleas from Zelensky, a group of 40 nations gathered by the US in Germany agreed to streamline and expedite the delivery of weapons to Ukraine.

 

"We've got to move at the speed of war," said Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin, who met with Zelensky in Kyiv last week along with Secretary of State Antony Blinken.

 

The US House of Representatives on Thursday passed legislation that would allow Biden to use a World War II-era law, known as the Lend-Lease Act of 1941, to swiftly supply weapons to Ukraine on loan. That law was originally created to help forces fighting Nazi Germany and reflects the urgency in Congress to support the Ukrainian armed forces.

 

President Joe Biden also asked Congress for a $33 billion supplemental funding bill to aid Ukraine over the next several months.

 

The President separately outlined a proposal that would further pressure Russian oligarchs over the war in Ukraine, including using money from their seized assets to fund Ukraine's defense.



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The US House of Representatives on Thursday passed legislation that would allow Biden to use a World War II-era law, known as the Lend-Lease Act of 1941, to swiftly supply weapons to Ukraine on loan. That law was originally created to help forces fighting Nazi Germany and reflects the urgency in Congress to support the Ukrainian armed forces.


Well if Roosevelt got to stay in power during a war then so should Biden be able to. Once they passed the Lend-Lease Act it would be no different supporting the British that the Ukrainians when you think about it. Britain was in a state of war and so is Ukraines and the States was really in a state of war it's self when supplying arms to Britain and is in a proxy war fighting the Russians now. Be dared with the two term limit. 

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NATO's formation in 1949 changed all that, didn't it? 
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After strong criticism Germany has agreed to deliver some heavy arms to Ukraine. Some 100 old Marder infantry fighting vehicles & 88 Leopard 1A5 tanks are among the lot. England is doing her part by banning players from Russia & Belarus from participating at Wimbledon.
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NATO's formation in 1949 changed all that, didn't it? 


No not really but the code of Nato is knowing there's saftey in numbers after the last two wars and there's that old 3 musketeer saying,  All for One and One for All.

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After strong criticism Germany has agreed to deliver some heavy arms to Ukraine. Some 100 old Marder infantry fighting vehicles & 88 Leopard 1A5 tanks are among the lot. England is doing her part by banning players from Russia & Belarus from participating at Wimbledon.

The Marder has gone through many up grades in the course of it's long life and is a half decent vehicle which German still uses .All of their vehicle have been up graded including the ones going to Ukanrain. It is not just an infantry fighting vehicle but can be configured to many different roles. It has a low silhouette which makes it a smaller target to hit especially in a hull down position. It can fire many different types of munitions and even take on other tanks.

Now the 1A5 is every tankers dream come true. When I first saw what they could do at the Leopard factory, I fell in love with them. The 1A5 still has the 105mm main gun which can still knot out any Russian tank at ranges of 2100 metres and even further if the use a hesh type rd. (HESH-High Explosive Squash Head) What the Ukrainians need just as much as heavy equipment is way more drones to take the Russians out at a further distance especially if they move in columns on roads or cross country.


Not letting Russia and Belarus play tennis is probably a bigger thing than we think, the poor dears.

The big problem still is getting things to the Ukraines without the Russians knowing and them being able to distroy it before it can get used. There are Russian spys watching everything that moves all over Ukraine and neighbouring countries.

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The truly horrendous Poncy Baloney, along with the slimiest snake in political history, Arsole Schitt, formally known as Adam Schiff, have just visited Ukraine. Whilst there they appeared in front of the cameras and I don't know if you lot in the US noticed you were at war with Russia but in tow with that circus was a congressman called Crowe, who fronting the world's cameras told them that the US wasn't interested in a stalemate with Russia, the US was in the war to win the war, or in it to win it, as he said. If that doesn't frighten you shitless, I don't know what will. On Russia's national TV they had a frontman who was showing his fellow Russians nationwide how a single nuclear weapon, dropped in the Atlantic, west of Ireland, would cause a wave that would completely destroy Britain and kill every person. The brain dead fool didn't seem to realise that a nuclear bomb in the Atlantic would cause a two mile high wave in all directions, drowning Europe and the US and Canada. I mean, this man is as stupid as the Dems and between them all they are going to end civilisation.
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What's to say that isn't Putins end game in the first place.He is known for his saber rattling and intimiating people with his big bomb, but Biden and his crew aren't listening to him anymore. They are saying enough is enough. Sure glad I live far inland Art. No big wave scares me in my area.

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The truly horrendous Poncy Baloney, along with the slimiest snake in political history, Arsole Schitt, formally known as Adam Schiff, have just visited Ukraine. Whilst there they appeared in front of the cameras and I don't know if you lot in the US noticed you were at war with Russia but in tow with that circus was a congressman called Crowe, who fronting the world's cameras told them that the US wasn't interested in a stalemate with Russia, the US was in the war to win the war, or in it to win it, as he said. If that doesn't frighten you shitless, I don't know what will. On Russia's national TV they had a frontman who was showing his fellow Russians nationwide how a single nuclear weapon, dropped in the Atlantic, west of Ireland, would cause a wave that would completely destroy Britain and kill every person. The brain dead fool didn't seem to realise that a nuclear bomb in the Atlantic would cause a two mile high wave in all directions, drowning Europe and the US and Canada. I mean, this man is as stupid as the Dems and between them all they are going to end civilisation.

Two very smart People your cutting up Art. They have to be to have been in Politics this long and keep getting elected.

Not like Trump who was an uneducated one term wonder.

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What's to say that isn't Putins end game in the first place.He is known for his saber rattling and intimiating people with his big bomb, but Biden and his crew aren't listening to him anymore. They are saying enough is enough. Sure glad I live far inland Art. No big wave scares me in my area.


So what would you do Art. Sit back and watch Ukraine fall and then sit back again and watch all the other surrounding countries fall. When would you say enough is enough, when the Russians walk throught you locals front door?

We don't want to hear just moaning, we want to hear your solutions.

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Don't get your panties in a wad over this Pete. I understand how emotional people get when they see war on T.V. 24/7 & the victims don't look like the gook woman in a funny hat who lives in a hut with a thatched roof. These people look like us eh? Just another neighborhood fight in tribal Europe. If Putin doesn't win soon the tactical nukes or bio-chemical stuff will come out. That is the real worry.
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Don't get your panties in a wad over this Pete. I understand how emotional people get when they see war on T.V. 24/7 & the victims don't look like the gook woman in a funny hat who lives in a hut with a thatched roof. These people look like us eh? Just another neighborhood fight in tribal Europe. If Putin doesn't win soon the tactical nukes or bio-chemical stuff will come out. That is the real worry.

Would he really you think. What if all his Generals said no to it. He's really backed himself into a corner this time. You don't know what he'll do to keep face, nobody does.

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Don't get your panties in a wad over this Pete. I understand how emotional people get when they see war on T.V. 24/7 & the victims don't look like the gook woman in a funny hat who lives in a hut with a thatched roof. These people look like us eh? Just another neighborhood fight in tribal Europe. If Putin doesn't win soon the tactical nukes or bio-chemical stuff will come out. That is the real worry.

Would he really you think. What if all his Generals said no to it. He's really backed himself into a corner this time. You don't know what he'll do to keep face, nobody does.


True, you never know what he will do but he may. Remember Hitler did not pay attention to his generals for a comparison eh? Russia & Ukraine are good examples of corrupt & very corrupt so maybe he will save face by just taking over the eastern part of the country as an annex to save the Russian population there. It has happened before but regardless the west should not get involved with more than what we already are. With the right kit the Ukrainians seem to be holding their own eh?

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Solutions? Who was it said speak softly but carry a big stick? I want you to just close your eyes Pete and think of this.... Trump is facing the world's press and telling them he is going to win a war with Russia, that he's in it to win it. Get it now? Has all the horror of not keeping your mouth shut struck home now? It's all but a declaration of war ferfecksake and it's not necessary. You can help in this war without openly, in front of the world, antagonise or humiliate the biggest nuclear power on the planet, with an unstable Russian version of Biden at the helm. You prosecute this war in the most clandestine way possible and leave every diplomatic avenue open to them. You must always give this enemy a face saving way out, if they want to take it, a negotiated peace with honour, which those bellicose idiots have completely taken off the table, there is no way out for Russia now, save total victory or humiliation and that's not going to happen. They will destroy the entire planet first, including you. Baloney should stick toy illegal share dealing and rubbing her expensive ice cream in the faces of the poor, whilst Schitt should just commit suicide and do the world a favour.
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This will end with Russia having a tenuous hold over the eastern Donbas region which will cost billions to maintain. Russia will be weaker because of it, the exact opposite of what the madman Putin wanted. NATO will be stronger with new countries joining to seek the safety of the NATO umbrella, again the opposite of what Putin wants. He has grossly underestimated Ukraine's and NATO's response. 

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This will end with Russia having a tenuous hold over the eastern Donbas region which will cost billions to maintain. Russia will be weaker because of it, the exact opposite of what the madman Putin wanted. NATO will be stronger with new countries joining to seek the safety of the NATO umbrella, again the opposite of what Putin wants. He has grossly underestimated Ukraine's and NATO's response. 


Spot on analysis Mark.

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Solutions? Who was it said speak softly but carry a big stick? I want you to just close your eyes Pete and think of this.... Trump is facing the world's press and telling them he is going to win a war with Russia, that he's in it to win it. Get it now? Has all the horror of not keeping your mouth shut struck home now? It's all but a declaration of war ferfecksake and it's not necessary. You can help in this war without openly, in front of the world, antagonise or humiliate the biggest nuclear power on the planet, with an unstable Russian version of Biden at the helm. You prosecute this war in the most clandestine way possible and leave every diplomatic avenue open to them. You must always give this enemy a face saving way out, if they want to take it, a negotiated peace with honour, which those bellicose idiots have completely taken off the table, there is no way out for Russia now, save total victory or humiliation and that's not going to happen. They will destroy the entire planet first, including you. Baloney should stick toy illegal share dealing and rubbing her expensive ice cream in the faces of the poor, whilst Schitt should just commit suicide and do the world a favour.

Do you know how many times Russia in the last month or so has been given a face saving way out by the States and Ukraine and the world for that matter. By simply opening up a corridor to let the civilians out would have been a good start. But no, his people slaughtered the people trying to leave right down to women and children in their cars and buses and even run old people over in their cars with tanks on purpose. All this on the direct orders from Putin to kill civilians. They are shooting civilians in the streets, in their homes and executing any person of military age as soon as they find them after they have torchered and taken pictures to sent to their love ones . They are commiting Genocide in a grand scale and won't stop until their finished.


Russia has accused Israel of supporting the “neo-Nazi regime” in Kyiv as it escalates a diplomatic row with the Middle Eastern country that decided not to join in sanctions against the Kremlin or send lethal military aid to Ukraine.

The dispute over remarks by Russia’s foreign minister, Sergei Lavrov, who said in an interview that Adolf Hitler “had Jewish blood” and that the “most rabid antisemites tend to be Jews”, has threatened to unsettle Israel’s careful position over Russia’s war in Ukraine.

On Monday, Israel summoned Russia’s ambassador to the foreign ministry and its foreign minister, Yair Lapid, called Lavrov’s remarks “unforgivable and outrageous … as well as a terrible historical error.”

Lapid wrote: “Jews did not murder themselves in the Holocaust. The lowest level of racism against Jews is to accuse Jews themselves of antisemitism.”

On Tuesday, Russia’s foreign ministry doubled down on Lavrov’s words, accusing Lapid of making “antihistorical” remarks about the Holocaust that “largely explain the course of the current Israeli government in supporting the neo-Nazi regime in Kyiv.

“Unfortunately, history knows tragic examples of Jewish cooperation with the Nazis,” the Russian foreign ministry said in a statement.

The Hitler comments appear to have added to the pressure for Israel to abandon its attempts to maintain a neutral stance on the Russian war in Ukraine, a position that has angered its US allies.

Since the war broke out, Israel has set up a field hospital in western Ukraine, provided humanitarian supplies, and protective vests and helmets for the Ukrainian army. It has so far refrained from sending more substantial military aid or imposing sanctions on Russia. Israel has a delicate relationship with Russia, as both have military interests in Syria.

As the conflict drags on and more evidence of atrocities committed by Russian forces against civilians has come to light, Israeli criticism has become more vocal, with Lapid last month accusing Russia of war crimes.

In an interview with Ynet published on Monday evening, he said of his counterpart’s allegations: “That angers me not only as foreign minister but also as the son of my father, who was in the ghetto in Budapest. It wasn’t Jews who put him in the ghetto. The Nazis put him there. The Nazis persecuted the Jews and killed 6 million Jews. The Ukrainians aren’t Nazis, only the Nazis were Nazis.”

The Israeli daily Haaretz reported on Tuesday that military and political establishments were considering bolstering assistance to Ukraine in the wake of the diplomatic row. The list of items that can be sent to Ukraine will be reviewed in the next few days, the newspaper said.

But according to a quoted source in the Haaretz report, Israel will shy away from sending advanced weaponry or defensive technology, such as the missile defence systems President Volodymyr Zelenskiy has asked the Knesset to supply. New shipments of military equipment are likely to be “symbolic”, the source said, in keeping with Israel’s existing policy of avoiding antagonising Moscow.

Little has surfaced of what was discussed during Monday’s almost unprecedented summoning of the Russian ambassador, Anatoly Viktorov, for a clarification meeting on Lavrov’s incendiary comments.

“The Israeli position was made clear in the meeting and the parties agreed that no further details would be published,” an unnamed official told local media on Tuesday, in what appeared to be an attempt to let the matter lie.

Israel’s western allies have been pressuring the country to increase its support for Ukraine since the war broke out in February. Officials are also reportedly worried that Israel’s continued balancing act between Russia and the west could hurt the arms industry by sending the signal that Israel could also sit out future conflicts.

Analysts said Lavrov’s inflammatory remarks, which threatened to antagonise one of the few western countries still willing to engage with Russia, were indicative of the “radicalisation” of much of the Russian government and the lack of coherency to Russia’s goals in Ukraine.

“Diplomacy as a skill, as an art collapsed with everything else on February 24th,” said Alexander Baunov, a Russian political analyst who previously served as a diplomat. There are “no rules, no skills, no rationality … nothing is as usual. They are all disoriented in this new world, including people like Lavrov, Putin himself, they don’t know how to speak, what is allowed and what is not.

“They are concentrated on one task which is to justify the thing they have done which is not going as is expected,” he said, referring to the invasion of Ukraine. “And they still have to justify it.”





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Re:The war in Ukraine

Date Posted:2022-05-03 11:41:09Copy HTML

Solutions? Who was it said speak softly but carry a big stick? I want you to just close your eyes Pete and think of this.... Trump is facing the world's press and telling them he is going to win a war with Russia, that he's in it to win it. Get it now? Has all the horror of not keeping your mouth shut struck home now? It's all but a declaration of war ferfecksake and it's not necessary. You can help in this war without openly, in front of the world, antagonise or humiliate the biggest nuclear power on the planet, with an unstable Russian version of Biden at the helm. You prosecute this war in the most clandestine way possible and leave every diplomatic avenue open to them. You must always give this enemy a face saving way out, if they want to take it, a negotiated peace with honour, which those bellicose idiots have completely taken off the table, there is no way out for Russia now, save total victory or humiliation and that's not going to happen. They will destroy the entire planet first, including you. Baloney should stick toy illegal share dealing and rubbing her expensive ice cream in the faces of the poor, whilst Schitt should just commit suicide and do the world a favour.

So your not in love with Trump anymore then after he said that Art?

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Re:The war in Ukraine

Date Posted:2022-05-03 11:49:33Copy HTML

This will end with Russia having a tenuous hold over the eastern Donbas region which will cost billions to maintain. Russia will be weaker because of it, the exact opposite of what the madman Putin wanted. NATO will be stronger with new countries joining to seek the safety of the NATO umbrella, again the opposite of what Putin wants. He has grossly underestimated Ukraine's and NATO's response. 


Very true Mark, but remember we are dealing with a mad man who probably is just as mad as Hitler was or even worse.

Putin reminds me more of how Stalin thought.

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