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Date Posted:2022-03-30 07:40:45Copy HTML The longer this goes on, the more I see Ukraine as being just another cold war ball for each side to kick around. The initial attack on the Russian economy by the west has just about run its course and now the Rouble has recovered, China, India and most of the rich middle eastern states still back Russia and Putin and he has never been so popular with his own people. I see talk of him being ousted as a matter of course but I'm beginning to doubt that very much, as he has an iron grip on all of the Russian institutions of state and security. Any war of attrition, which this is turning into, will always favour Russia, with its massive resources and with the west declining to go any further than it has, I can't see it going but one way. The west might close its Moscow McDonalds and a few other tokenisms but the fact is, Russia has Europe by the goolies, as we have been idiotic enough to become dependent of Russian energy, which will always be our Achilles heel. We are stuck on the Russian tit. Here in Europe a few years ago the ruling classes in Brussels issued a diktat stating that diesel engines were cleaner than petrol ones, a blatant pile of crap if ever there was one. Any person with an inkling of knowledge of engines knew this was a blatant lie and who benefitted most from it? The German car industry. Here in Britain, following our decades long policy of getting everything produced abroad, we gave up refining our own fuels on a huge scale and guess who refines all of our Diesel? Yep, Russia. There is now talk of Diesel rationing later in the year and if that happens where will our shops get their goods from? Russia holds all the cards, as far as I can see. Gas and electricity are now set to rise by up to 400% in Britain in the next two years and our political class have only added to the crisis by pampering to the ridiculous green lobby. Naturally they're having to quietly backtrack now as their own political futures are in jeopardy. Do you know that 25% of all we pay over here for energy is a green tax? If the war has any benefit for us, it will be the dawning of an energy reality in the corridors of power. Where all the smart ones over there that created the Industrial Revolution and help modernize the whole world. You are surrounded by ocean with so many inlets bays and rivers that you should have introduced tidal power in quantity by now. You also can set up unlimited numbers of wind turbines on both land and surrounding sea. For far too long you have relied on other countries to do the brain and heavy lifting jobs. Invest in a pipe line from the oil fields of Alberta and Saskatchewan to our east coast and we can get not only you the fuel and oil you need but also to the rest of Europe. A second option might even be a Trans-Atlantic pipe line much like the communication cable. You could also get oil or hydro power from Norway. Time for Britain to start thinking out side of the box because your just making the situation worse by buying oil from Russia. That money you pay them is only used to fund the war against Ukraine. Next who's to say, he will be using your own money to attack you down the road. |
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Re:The war in Ukraine Date Posted:2025-03-07 07:18:02Copy HTML Russia's losses in Ukraine as of March 7: +over 1,150 troops and dozens of armored vehiclesOver the past day, on March 6, the Defense Forces eliminated about 1,150 Russian soldiers. Dozens of combat armored vehicles (BAVs) were also destroyed, according to the Facebook page of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. The total combat Russian losses from February 24, 2022, to March 7, 2025, are estimated to be: |
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Re:The war in Ukraine Date Posted:2025-03-07 07:19:58Copy HTML Part of Above Post Russia's losses since the beginning of the full-scale war (Photo: facebook.com/GeneralStaff.ua) Russia's losses in the war Meanwhile, the operational-strategic group of troops Khortytsia showcased the work of drone operators who destroyed an enemy ammunition depot and military equipment in the Kharkiv region. Recently, the Defense Forces also destroyed more than a dozen units of enemy equipment and a Russian electronic warfare (EW) system in the Lyman direction. At the beginning of January, Ukrainian fighters used an FPV drone to strike the Russian Pole-21 EW complex. |
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Re:The war in Ukraine Date Posted:2025-03-07 07:23:55Copy HTML Pretty soon no more Russians. |
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MarkUK
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Re:The war in Ukraine Date Posted:2025-03-07 07:27:42Copy HTML That would finally rid Europe of NAZIs. You're playing chess with Fate and Fate's winning.
Arnold Bennett
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Re:The war in Ukraine Date Posted:2025-03-12 12:46:03Copy HTML Zelenskyy: US proposed full ceasefire, Kyiv agreed, the ball is in Russia's courtThe United States of America has proposed a 30-day ceasefire between Ukraine and Russia. It is expected to cover not only missile and drone attacks but also hostilities along the entire front line, President Volodymyr Zelenskyy stated this during his evening address. "Ukraine accepts this proposal; we see it as a positive step, and we are ready to take such a step," Zelenskyy stated. ccording to him, the key task for the United States will be to persuade Russia to support this decision. "We agree, and if the Russians agree, silence will take effect immediately," the president explained. He also noted that Washington is ready to resume defensive aid to Ukraine, including the provision of intelligence data. The president emphasized that if the 30-day ceasefire is observed, Kyiv and its partners will be able to prepare working documents that will ensure lasting peace and security. "Ukraine is ready for peace. Russia must also show its readiness to either end the war or to continue it. The time has come for the full truth," he concluded. Earlier, Bloomberg reported that US President Donald Trump wants Ukraine to agree to a swift ceasefire with Russia. Such an agreement is a condition for signing a mineral resources deal. At the time, Zelenskyy proposed establishing a ceasefire at sea and in the air. According to him, these could be the first steps toward ending the war. Meanwhile, political analyst Volodymyr Fesenko told RBC-Ukraine that a ceasefire on land between Ukraine and Russia could face challenges. The reason is the absence of a stable front line. Talks in Saudi Arabia On Tuesday, March 11, a meeting between US and Ukrainian delegations took place in Saudi Arabia. The Ukrainian side was represented by Head of the Presidential Office Andriy Yermak, Defense Minister Rustem Umerov, and Foreign Minister Andriy Sybiha. The US delegation included Secretary of State Marco Rubio and National Security Advisor Mike Waltz. The meeting in Jeddah lasted over five hours. Shortly before the talks, Andriy Yermak stated that Ukraine seeks peace and is ready to negotiate to end the war, approaching the discussions with US officials from a "very open" position. Later, State Department spokesperson Tammy Bruce said that the US delegation was quite optimistic about the meeting between Ukrainian and US representatives in Saudi Arabia. She also hinted that "fantastic news for humanity" is expected soon. Marco Rubio and National Security Advisor Mike Waltz should get blamed for this so called deal if it falls apart because Russia will always want more. |
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MarkUK
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Re:The war in Ukraine Date Posted:2025-03-12 10:04:07Copy HTML Even if Putin agrees to a ceasefire, which is unlikely, he'll use it to rearm then manufacture an "incident" blaming Ukraine for breaking the armistice and resume the war, that's how the Russians operate. It'll then be up to Trump to respond, will he recognize Putin for the lying evil bastard he is and come out in full support of Ukraine or will he wash his hands of the whole affair. You're playing chess with Fate and Fate's winning.
Arnold Bennett
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shula
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Re:The war in Ukraine Date Posted:2025-03-12 12:42:25Copy HTML It looks like a coalition is forming in Europe to aid Ukraine. Won't that be a deterrent to Russia? In a way yes and no. They don't have sufficient access to large quantities of fuel to fight a highly mobile war which it would be. Also even though they do product weapons and ammo they can't out produce Russia, Iran, Syria India and North Korea combined. To win a war you just can't defend, you most have the power to advance forward. That's the situation Ukraine is in now. They have been able to defend but not able without both Europe and the USA suppling then the means to move forward. Biden was supporting Ukraine but really wasn't giving the means to move forward like he should have. Trump should be carrying on from where Biden left off but the world fears Trump is too far up Putin's arse and worry's more about causing tariffs wars which only hurt the America public and it's trading partners which are trying to help a free nation like Ukraine. Russia and China are the only ones that the tariffs really don't affect as they trade most times under the table. (Out of Sight Out of mind) "It is forbidden to spit on cats in plague-time."
-Albert Camus-
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Re:The war in Ukraine Date Posted:2025-03-12 01:30:22Copy HTML It looks like a coalition is forming in Europe to aid Ukraine. Won't that be a deterrent to Russia? No! It will make the situation even worse. It is better to get them to work out a peace treaty. You don't seem to get it Grey, Europe is not just worrying about Ukraine. They are also worrying about themselves. Since 1945 the free world has been under threat from Russia and to keep that threat only to a threat the nations of the world united and formed NATO. They realized there is safety in numbers and no other nation would dare attack them if they stayed together as one. It's worked well up to now but then Trump with his heel spurs comes along and throws a wrench in a proven system and tries his best to turn his back on the good guy and switch his so called loyalty to the bad guys. |
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MarkUK
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Re:The war in Ukraine Date Posted:2025-03-12 03:07:07Copy HTML It ought to be, but the danger is that Putin will gamble that without US backing European troops won't want to fight alone. The bottom line that Trump and everyone else must realize is that PUTIN IS NOT TO BE TRUSTED. If he can wriggle out of a commitment he will by any means, foul if necessary. Putin right hand man Sergei Lavrov who often speaks for Putin said they are winning so why would they stop now as Ukraine is losing. They also would never except any peace keepers to enter Ukraine he says. Putin had his Military Uniform on to meet with his Generals. The last time he wore it in public was 2022 at the start of the invasion of Ukraine. Putin is no different than Stalin was when it comes to land grabbing and he can't be trusted. Tomorrow Trump and Putin talk by phone and discuss how they are going to divide Ukraine up so they each get what they want from it. You're playing chess with Fate and Fate's winning.
Arnold Bennett
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Re:The war in Ukraine Date Posted:2025-03-18 08:03:12Copy HTML After Trump-Putin call, Russia agrees to limited Ukraine ceasefireWASHINGTON − A call between President Donald Trump and Russian leader Vladimir Putin ended with a limited agreement for Russia and Ukraine to cease attacks on energy infrastructure but stopped short of a U.S. proposal for a temporary truce. The U.S. said Russia had agreed to an energy and infrastructure ceasefire. After Moscow and Kyiv agree to stop hitting each other's power plants and electric grids, negotiators would move on to a potential halt in fighting on the Black Sea − and then to a full ceasefire and peace agreement in the three-year-old Ukraine war, a White House statement said. Trump said on social media the talk ended "with an understanding that we will be working quickly to have a Complete Ceasefire and, ultimately, an END to this very horrible War between Russia and Ukraine." "That process is now in full force and effect, and we will, hopefully, for the sake of Humanity, get the job done!" The White House said that discussions would begin immediately in the Middle East. Trump's team has been meeting with representatives for Moscow and Kyiv separately to nail down a ceasefire and a framework for a peace deal that could permanently end the war. Trump promised a rapid end to the conflict during the 2024 campaign while touting his dealmaking skills, but has has been unable to bring about a resolution so far. Special envoy Steve Witkoff visited Moscow last week. Secretary of State Marco Rubio also spoke Saturday with Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov. The interactions followed in-person talks with top Ukrainian officials in Saudi Arabia and set the stage for Tuesday's call between Putin and Trump. The call lasted for at least an hour and a half, the White House indicated. Officials declined to say how much longer the phone call went. A readout from the White House on the call provided scant details on what was discussed. A Kremlin statement said Trump proposed the 30-day halt on energy infrastructure and Putin immediately gave his military the order. Russia also said a prisoner exchange would take place on Wednesday in which each side would release 175 people. Another 23 Ukrainian troops who were severely injured would also be transferred to Ukraine, the Kremlin said. Trump also backed a Putin proposal for U.S.-Russia hockey matches, the Kremlin said. The White House did not immediately respond to a request for comment. On Monday, the president said he intended to lay the groundwork for a peace deal and implore Putin to spare the lives of Ukrainian soldiers under siege from Russian forces. Last week the U.S. restored intelligence sharing with Ukraine and lifted a pause on military assistance, as officials awaited Russia's response to the temporary truce. Ukraine agreed to a full 30-day ceasefire on the condition that Russia also accepts the terms of the agreement. That proposal called for a temporary freeze the conflict and halt an intense aerial battle between the two nations. |
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MarkUK
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Re:The war in Ukraine Date Posted:2025-03-19 09:55:37Copy HTML We can all sleep safely in our beds now that Trump and Putin have agreed on a hockey match! I need someone more attuned to Trump's way of thinking to explain what he's up to. Tough on the victim Ukraine but having his strings pulled by the aggressor Putin. For all his tough talk at home on foreign matters he's hopelessly out of his depth coming across as a weak pushover. As far as Russia is concerned his policy seems to be speak loudly and carry a feather duster. Yes Mark Trump has become a great let down for the Republican Party with his miss management and the close party members to him can't hold a town hall meeting without getting boobed of the stage or threated with their lives. Of course Trump is trying to say that the people attending these town halls are really Demo's but reporters there who have talked to these groups said that's untrue and they are Republicans that are sick and tired of all the cuts going on and the economy and food prices keep going up instead of down. Many also had their life saving in the market and ended losing a large part of it with the markets tanking and knowing at their ages they will never be able to recuperate what they have lost. You're playing chess with Fate and Fate's winning.
Arnold Bennett
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Re:The war in Ukraine Date Posted:2025-03-24 10:30:15Copy HTML Putin's £68,000,000 helicopters destroyed in strike ahead of Russia ceasefire talks Ukraine struck deep behind enemy lines to wipe out four high-tech Russian helicopters on the eve of crucial ceasefire talks. Missile strikes exploded four military helicopters worth £68 million in the Belgorod region. The attack comes as U.S. and Russian negotiators meet in Saudi Arabia to try to agree on terms for a ceasefire in Ukraine. These talks follow U.S.-Ukrainian negotiations on Sunday, with discussions focusing on a partial ceasefire to halt attacks on energy infrastructure. Kyiv’s military intelligence agency GUR said two Mi-8 helicopters and a pair of Ka-52s were destroyed overnight. The four copters were sitting behind enemy lines when they were hit. Ka52s, called Alligators, are attack helicopters while Mi-8 helicopters are used for transporting troops or equipment. ‘The enemy had created a jumping-off point for aircraft – a camouflaged position for rapid movement of aircraft or for surprise attacks on the Security and Defence Forces of Ukraine. ‘The enemy once again thought that deep in the rear he was unattainable. ‘We once again proved that for the Special Operations Forces there is nothing unattainable.’ The major attack took place as the Russian negotiating team is expected to meet with U.S. officials in Saudi Arabia. U.S. President Donald Trump is pushing for a peace deal to end the 1,123 day conflict. Negotiations are focusing now on a maritime ceasefire in the Black Sea to allow the free flow of shipping. The U.S. is being represented by officials Andrew Peek and Michael Anton, while Grigory Karasin and Sergei Beseda are there on behalf Russia. On Tuesday, Trump and Putin reportedly brokered a deal for Russia to stop striking crucial Ukrainian infrastructure for 30 days – which Putin promptly broke the next morning. I wouldn't trust Putin or Trump to make any deal or keep one. |
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Re:The war in Ukraine Date Posted:2025-04-09 01:02:30Copy HTML BREAKING: Ukraine captured 2 Chinese nationals fighting for Russia, Zelensky saysUkrainian troops have captured two Chinese nationals who were fighting in the ranks of the Russian military against Ukraine, President Volodymyr Zelensky said on April 8. "We have information that there are much more than two such Chinese citizens in the occupier's units," Zelensky said. "We have the documents of these prisoners, bank cards, personal data." The captured men are being held by Ukraine's Security Service, according to Zelensky. He instructed Foreign Minister Andrii Sybiha to urgently contact Beijing to determine how Chinese officials will respond. Zelensky said the apparent recruitment of Chinese nationals — whether direct or indirect — highlights the Kremlin's commitment to continuing its aggression. "We definitely need a reaction to this. A reaction from the United States, Europe and everyone in the world who wants peace," he added. China has been a key strategic partner to Russia since the start of the full-scale invasion, expanding trade and becoming Moscow's top supplier of dual-use goods used in weapons production. Zelensky's statement follows the earlier deployment of up to 12,000 North Korean troops to Kursk Oblast last fall to support Russian forces in repelling a Ukrainian cross-border incursion |
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Re:The war in Ukraine Date Posted:2025-04-09 12:54:08Copy HTML The world is drowning in blood.
"It is forbidden to spit on cats in plague-time."
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majorshrapnel
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Re:The war in Ukraine Date Posted:2025-04-09 04:06:53Copy HTML The world is drowning in blood. And it should be beer. |
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shula
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Re:The war in Ukraine Date Posted:2025-04-10 01:11:23Copy HTML "Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy." somebody said that
"It is forbidden to spit on cats in plague-time."
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majorshrapnel
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Re:The war in Ukraine Date Posted:2025-04-11 12:48:24Copy HTML Starmer has said that he intends to send 5000 British soldiers to Ukraine. Why is it that all socialist governments end up war mongers when in power |
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MarkUK
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Re:The war in Ukraine Date Posted:2025-04-11 01:04:19Copy HTML At least he's showing us that he's not the Red Peril some thought he would be, centre-left are his politics these days, imagine it it was Miliband or Corbyn. You're playing chess with Fate and Fate's winning.
Arnold Bennett
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majorshrapnel
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Re:The war in Ukraine Date Posted:2025-04-11 03:42:12Copy HTML He’s a very dangerous man to your freedoms. Even the US has raised fears about the the Labour’s attack on freedoms. He doesn’t even like this country. He’s an ex head of public prosecutions and as such knows how to manipulate and control the branches of the law and politicise it. Take a look at how he had those rioters arrested, charged and jailed in 6 days, utterly impossible under normal circumstances, but that judge had his orders and followed the them to tHe letter. Why is it that it’s always the socialists that take us to war? |
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MarkUK
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Re:The war in Ukraine Date Posted:2025-04-11 05:48:36Copy HTML My point is that it could be a whole lot worse, for a Leftie he's nearer the centre than many who seek his job. You're playing chess with Fate and Fate's winning.
Arnold Bennett
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tommytalldog
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Re:The war in Ukraine Date Posted:2025-04-11 06:05:33Copy HTML Boots on the ground? Or support to help the locals figure out the armaments? Or advisors? I dislike that term, reminds me of Vietnam lingo. |
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MarkUK
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Re:The war in Ukraine Date Posted:2025-04-11 06:27:16Copy HTML Part of a presence to deter a future Russian attack, it'll comprise troops from many nations, hopefully. You're playing chess with Fate and Fate's winning.
Arnold Bennett
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tommytalldog
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Re:The war in Ukraine Date Posted:2025-04-11 07:34:16Copy HTML One of the reasons I was originally for supporting Ukraine with military gear was there was no boots on the ground. Of course, that was before Trump & we supplied it gratis. Now that are getting paid that may change. I hope not for I am still against sending any troops over there in a combat status. |
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Re:The war in Ukraine Date Posted:2025-04-15 07:15:20Copy HTML I can see a comparison here with a semi-successful outcome after another display of Russian aggression.
The Soviet Finnish Winter War of 1939-1940, when Stalin invaded the former czarist province of Russia. Just like the start of the Ukraine war, the Finns met Stalin's invaders with fierce resistance, aided by neighbors, & humiliated the Kremlin dictator, who had expected quick victory. After 3 months of bitter fighting, the Soviets regrouped & resupplied & began a devastating pounding of the Finnish lines. With their backs to the wall & 70,000 dead, the Finns asked for peace. They gave up 10% of their territory absorbed 400,000 refugees & allowed the Soviets temporary use of a naval base in the Gulf of Finland. But Finland kept its independence & grew into a prosperous member of the EU & in 2023 became a member of NATO.
So, it is possible for a smaller country to badly bloody Russia's nose & not be swallowed up by the Russian bear. |
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majorshrapnel
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Re:The war in Ukraine Date Posted:2025-04-16 06:09:27Copy HTML The Germans in WW2 left 1,000,000
babies in Ukraine and Russia. The Russians raped 50,000 women and children in Berlin alone. 904 US soldiers were charged with rape. I can’t find any GB numbers for some reason |