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majorshrapnel
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Date Posted:2022-03-30 07:40:45Copy HTML The longer this goes on, the more I see Ukraine as being just another cold war ball for each side to kick around. The initial attack on the Russian economy by the west has just about run its course and now the Rouble has recovered, China, India and most of the rich middle eastern states still back Russia and Putin and he has never been so popular with his own people. I see talk of him being ousted as a matter of course but I'm beginning to doubt that very much, as he has an iron grip on all of the Russian institutions of state and security. Any war of attrition, which this is turning into, will always favour Russia, with its massive resources and with the west declining to go any further than it has, I can't see it going but one way. The west might close its Moscow McDonalds and a few other tokenisms but the fact is, Russia has Europe by the goolies, as we have been idiotic enough to become dependent of Russian energy, which will always be our Achilles heel. We are stuck on the Russian tit. Here in Europe a few years ago the ruling classes in Brussels issued a diktat stating that diesel engines were cleaner than petrol ones, a blatant pile of crap if ever there was one. Any person with an inkling of knowledge of engines knew this was a blatant lie and who benefitted most from it? The German car industry. Here in Britain, following our decades long policy of getting everything produced abroad, we gave up refining our own fuels on a huge scale and guess who refines all of our Diesel? Yep, Russia. There is now talk of Diesel rationing later in the year and if that happens where will our shops get their goods from? Russia holds all the cards, as far as I can see. Gas and electricity are now set to rise by up to 400% in Britain in the next two years and our political class have only added to the crisis by pampering to the ridiculous green lobby. Naturally they're having to quietly backtrack now as their own political futures are in jeopardy. Do you know that 25% of all we pay over here for energy is a green tax? If the war has any benefit for us, it will be the dawning of an energy reality in the corridors of power. |
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Greystarfish1
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Re:The war in Ukraine Date Posted:2025-03-03 05:43:11Copy HTML Describe how it will be a peaceful settlement, trust Putin's word perhaps? The war is becoming unpopular in Russia. They cannot continue for years to come. It would be in the best interest for both the Ukraine and Russia to have a peace treaty. |
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MarkUK
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Re:The war in Ukraine Date Posted:2025-03-03 06:54:02Copy HTML It would, but at what cost? Surrender? There would have been peace if the USA had surrendered to Japan in December 1941, right? You're playing chess with Fate and Fate's winning.
Arnold Bennett
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Re:The war in Ukraine Date Posted:2025-03-03 07:07:17Copy HTML No comparison, Mark. It would be more like the Nixonian "Peace with Honor" thngy after we got kicked out of Viet Nam. But there was no peace & no honor...........Never mind. |
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MarkUK
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Re:The war in Ukraine Date Posted:2025-03-03 07:29:57Copy HTML That's a better analogy. You're playing chess with Fate and Fate's winning.
Arnold Bennett
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Re:The war in Ukraine Date Posted:2025-03-03 09:16:42Copy HTML Now Trumps conforming again putting 25% tariffs on Canada for the 4th or is this the 5th time? I have lost count already. |
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tommytalldog
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Re:The war in Ukraine Date Posted:2025-03-03 09:18:51Copy HTML Yes, & the Dow is tanking again. |
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Greystarfish1
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Re:The war in Ukraine Date Posted:2025-03-03 11:25:39Copy HTML No comparison, Mark. It would be more like the Nixonian "Peace with Honor" thngy after we got kicked out of Viet Nam. But there was no peace & no honor...........Never mind. I totally agree. Let both countries work out a peace treaty. |
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tommytalldog
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Re:The war in Ukraine Date Posted:2025-03-04 12:32:07Copy HTML Trump pauses all aid to Ukraine. |
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MarkUK
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Re:The war in Ukraine Date Posted:2025-03-04 09:06:38Copy HTML Remarkable that Trump is eager to label Zelensky a dictator in a corrupt country, but not a word against Putin who fits the bill more so. You're playing chess with Fate and Fate's winning.
Arnold Bennett
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tommytalldog
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Re:The war in Ukraine Date Posted:2025-03-04 10:33:33Copy HTML Something about $64 billion in aid missing. Trump to address congress for the first time in his second term today. It will be like nothing ever seen before, tremendous, & all of the usual. |
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Re:The war in Ukraine Date Posted:2025-03-04 12:23:07Copy HTML Remarkable that Trump is eager to label Zelensky a dictator in a corrupt country, but not a word against Putin who fits the bill more so. The US Government wants to know, what the Ukraine did with the money that Biden gave them. Many people were opposed to Biden giving them the money and the equipment. |
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MarkUK
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Re:The war in Ukraine Date Posted:2025-03-04 12:59:31Copy HTML Quite right too, but a word of criticism of the tyrant Putin wouldn't go amiss surely? After all he is the real villain here. You're playing chess with Fate and Fate's winning.
Arnold Bennett
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Greystarfish1
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Re:The war in Ukraine Date Posted:2025-03-04 08:11:04Copy HTML Quite right too, but a word of criticism of the tyrant Putin wouldn't go amiss surely? After all he is the real villain here. It was in 2014 under the Obama administration, that the US Government overthrew the Ukraine's government. The real villains are Obama, Nuland, the CIA, etc. Trump wants to help both nations with a peace treaty. https://www.cato.org/commentary/americas-ukraine-hypocrisy . |
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MarkUK
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Re:The war in Ukraine Date Posted:2025-03-04 09:44:17Copy HTML Surely you understand the world's suspicions of Trump when he cannot find anything bad to say about one of the biggest tyrants in power today? Whatever Zelensky's faults they're nothing compared with the evil bastard Putin. As I've said already respect for the USA has gone to be replaced by a worried apprehension about what the pathetic man child will do next. Would you rather live in a world of friendly alliances or one in which everyone is driven to make a choice about which of the three powers to support. Make no mistake there are many countries that will throw their lot in with Russia or China simply because Trump is making the USA so unpopular that they think they'll get better treatment elsewhere. And when the time comes that the USA wants help around the world, and that time will come, you'll find far fewer allies willing to step up to aid the oaf you're saddled with. You're playing chess with Fate and Fate's winning.
Arnold Bennett
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tommytalldog
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Re:The war in Ukraine Date Posted:2025-03-04 10:42:13Copy HTML We grew up during the Cold War & lessons learned is we all need to stick together in our Western Alliances. As posted before, America First is okay, but not America Only. |
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Greystarfish1
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Re:The war in Ukraine Date Posted:2025-03-04 10:53:18Copy HTML Surely you understand the world's suspicions of Trump when he cannot find anything bad to say about one of the biggest tyrants in power today? Whatever Zelensky's faults they're nothing compared with the evil bastard Putin. As I've said already respect for the USA has gone to be replaced by a worried apprehension about what the pathetic man child will do next. Would you rather live in a world of friendly alliances or one in which everyone is driven to make a choice about which of the three powers to support. Make no mistake there are many countries that will throw their lot in with Russia or China simply because Trump is making the USA so unpopular that they think they'll get better treatment elsewhere. And when the time comes that the USA wants help around the world, and that time will come, you'll find far fewer allies willing to step up to aid the oaf you're saddled with. Did you know that Trump, Putin, etc. are fighting the deep state, etc.? |
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MarkUK
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Re:The war in Ukraine Date Posted:2025-03-05 10:05:54Copy HTML What's all this deep state rubbish? The fact is that Trump appears to be aligning his country with an evil bloody tyrant simply because Trump is obsessed with power and strength. It doesn't matter to him if that strength is misused. He is presenting the world with a choice - pick a side, the USA, Russia or China. Some will pick the USA and hold their noses as they do so in the hope that once Trump has gone things will calm down. But others will side with China and Russia. Where will MAGA be then if over half of the world is buying Chinese? You're playing chess with Fate and Fate's winning.
Arnold Bennett
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majorshrapnel
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Re:The war in Ukraine Date Posted:2025-03-05 11:46:04Copy HTML You’ll see the deep state exposed when Trump turns his attention from Europe to the US |
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Greystarfish1
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Re:The war in Ukraine Date Posted:2025-03-05 12:35:48Copy HTML You’ll see the deep state exposed when Trump turns his attention from Europe to the US The deep state is worldwide, but it is being exposed. It is a shame that Great Britain is supporting the Ukraine. It is a very corrupt country. Zelensky is a dictator. |
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MarkUK
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Re:The war in Ukraine Date Posted:2025-03-05 03:06:49Copy HTML So what is Putin? You're playing chess with Fate and Fate's winning.
Arnold Bennett
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Greystarfish1
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Re:The war in Ukraine Date Posted:2025-03-05 04:40:19Copy HTML So what is Putin? Did you know that the Nazi's are in the Ukraine government and military? This is what Putin is fighting. |