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Date Posted:2023-03-10 01:20:03Copy HTML

The BritishTSR2. This superb, highly advanced strike and reconnaissance aircraft is known in aviation circles as the plane that was shot down by its own government, as it never saw service or action. It was and still is, surrounded by mystery, conspiracy and conjecture. It was given a remarkable specification at birth, all of which were achieved and more. For a start it had to gain flight in under 600 yards and reach Mach 1.1 at ground level (200ft max) and Mach 2.2 at medium to high altitude, carry a nuclear bomb to Russia, dogfight with the best and remember we are dealing with an aircraft conceived in the 50's. It would have both front and side seeking radar and its Bristol Siddeley engines would later be fitted to the Concorde but only after the TSR2 had sorted its many faults out.The British aircraft industry had come out of WW2 as one of the very best, innovative designers and builders and with a nuclear Soviet Union to tend to the west needed such a high specification aircraft. The problem with the industry though was that we had no war to feed it and with an almost bankrupt nation it had too many companies chasing too few contracts, which led to a poison atmosphere in the industry and its various manufacturers, all stoked by political favouritism. The answer was the amalgamation of them to form BAC the British Aircraft Corporation and it was this company that would build the TSR2, all be it around the country, which became its first fault. Before it had been laid fully out it suffered political interference and design tampering, all of which began to raise the time and cost of it. Eventually it took to the air and it was spectacular and no exaggeration to say it was the finest aircraft on earth. Unfortunately it had just too many enemies, both at home and abroad, most notably the US with its rival F111. At home there was Louis Mountbatten a devoted navy man who wanted money for the Royal Navy. The RAF had 126 aircraft on order and the first overseas order was 30 for Australia but then we sent its biggest enemy to Australia in Mountbatten who then did his best to scupper the deal. In 1964 the Labour govt under Wilson came to power and the new PM visited the US to meet Johnson, a President who had been putting pressure on the Aussies to cancel their order and buy the F111 at a rock bottom price, ie under cost and between them they had the order cancelled with no objection from Wilson, who was after US loans and feared they would scupper his plans to borrow money from the IMF. Attacked from both sides the project was suddenly cancelled but not only was it cancelled but the political order went out that all built airframes, machines and tooling was to be destroyed and it was, including a wooden mock up, so that there would be no chance of another change of mind. The only change of mind was that we then bought 50 F111's from the Yanks. The govt wouldn't even allow the manufacturers to keep one for research, not one, it had to go, lock, stock and barrel and were even used as target practice. However, two in various states of finish were kept aside and they do survive and are on show at RAF Duxford museum.

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Although neither rare or unusual I must make mention of a farewell to the 747. Dubbed "Queen of the Skies" Boeing delivered the last of the jumbo jets to its customers earlier this year. The 747's first flight was in 1969 & since 1990 a modified 747 has served as Air Force One. A total of 1,574 variants were produced & as the first "wide body" passenger jet, the 747 can carry as many as 500 passengers. British Airways was Boeing's best customer ordering a total of 94 in all.
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This  is another very innovative design from the very innovative Fairey aircraft company. It is the Fairy Hendon bomber and included some very radical characteristics for the time. This was their first foray into bomber design and one of only two aircraft they ever built with two engines. Built to exceed the governments specification of 1927 which specified a 1500lb bomb load over 900 miles at a speed of 115 MPH and able to reach 10,000ft in under 30 minutes. Sounds pretty lame now but that was quite a big deal at the time. The government also received  design from all the other famous aircraft companies at the time, such as AVRO Vickers Handley Page etc but Fairey's design was the only monoplane and made of metal, although having then traditional linen covering of the wings and fuselage and the only one having its bomb load carried internally, another first for them. Uniquely at the time this aircraft housed an internal corridor, where members of the crew could pass from from to back and replace other crew members. Another first for a bomber was an enclosed canopy, which was a blessing for pilots. When the ministry came to choose it stuck with tradition and chose the Handley Page Heyford because it handled better but was visually light years behind the Fairey design, which was the future, as you can see here with the Heyford.hp.jpg

Fortunately saner minds were present and following further modifications the Hendon was finally put into production and put into service in 1936. However, it's service life was only short as the superb Barnes Wallace design of the Wellington was sweeping all before it. This was a lesson for Fairey, who never built a twin engined plane again and no more bombers.

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What stands out to me with the Fairey company is the Swordfish which impacted the raid at Taranto & the sinking of the Bismarck. The Swordfish was outdated at the time too.
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Fairey was an extremely innovative player in the British aircraft industry and I will be covering more of their models.
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Date Posted:2023-06-09 09:43:36Copy HTML

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This is the superb Grumman F7F Tigercat, a ground breaking aircraft which was destined to a very short life. Grumman were a company who specialised in carrier based aircraft, most notably the Wildcat and Bearcat fighters. The Tigercat was originally named the Tomcat but the name was dropped due the connotations of the name in that period. Believe it or not, it was based on the model XF5F Skyrocket on the right, Grumman's first twin engined plane. Why this aircraft was a quantum leap in carrier craft was its amazing versatility. It was if Grumman deliberately set out to build a craft that could carry every weapon known to man at the time and perform every task, a true multi role aircraft and the first carrier craft to do that. Canon, machine guns, fighter, bomber, ground attack and even a torpedo craft, this star did it all. It was powered by two Pratt and Whitney Double Wasp 18 cylinder supercharged radial engines and that's a lot of grunt for such a small aircraft, especially with such a small frontal area fuselage, see middle pic.

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And here they are but ironically and almost unbelievably, they proved too fast for the carriers of the time. Another first for the aircraft was a third main landing wheel, which no other aircraft had at that time but because of its many carrier problems it suddenly went from a sea based to a land based aircraft but one that turned it into a brilliant multi role aircraft which could do everything asked of it. It saw limited service in Korea and went on to roles as diverse as a forest fire fighter. This was one of those 'maybe' aircraft that didn't quite fit in and so, even though it was quite a legend in its day it never received the glory of say the Mustang or P38.

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Of course the B-52 is not unusual except for a couple of oddities. It is scheduled to be retired in 2040 after almost 90 years of service & its wings flex some 20 degrees which requires wheels on the wings for landings & takeoffs.
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What stands out to me with the Fairey company is the Swordfish which  impacted the raid at Taranto & the sinking of the Bismarck. The Swordfish was outdated at the time too.

The British all through the war managed to be able to make things work to their advantage even it they were out dated or not the same quality of the enemies. With Germany they had a jump start and started preparing for war years before it came to be. To be honest it was probably a money problem because Britain suffered long after the first war and the money many thought could go to better use that building up a military again after the war to end all war. The Germans seemed to be getting money from everywhere. Not just from the countries that they had taken over but much from their own people by exploiting them. For example, the Volkswagen or peoples car as it was known. Thousands were hired to work at their different auto plants, but from the start you had to give up so much of your wages each pay to put toward buying one of the finished car which you never got to own in the end.

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What stands out to me with the Fairey company is the Swordfish which  impacted the raid at Taranto & the sinking of the Bismarck. The Swordfish was outdated at the time too.

The British all through the war managed to be able to make things work to their advantage even it they were out dated or not the same quality of the enemies. With Germany they had a jump start and started preparing for war years before it came to be. To be honest it was probably a money problem because Britain suffered long after the first war and the money many thought could go to better use that building up a military again after the war to end all war. The Germans seemed to be getting money from everywhere. Not just from the countries that they had taken over but much from their own people by exploiting them. For example, the Volkswagen or peoples car as it was known. Thousands were hired to work at their different auto plants, but from the start you had to give up so much of your wages each pay to put toward buying one of the finished car which you never got to own in the end.


Yes, the two World Wars broke the empire. With lack of resources the Brits used ingenuity with the Mosquito as an example. They also had drop fuel tanks for aircraft made mostly of paper. Imagine that eh?

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What stands out to me with the Fairey company is the Swordfish which  impacted the raid at Taranto & the sinking of the Bismarck. The Swordfish was outdated at the time too.

The British all through the war managed to be able to make things work to their advantage even it they were out dated or not the same quality of the enemies. With Germany they had a jump start and started preparing for war years before it came to be. To be honest it was probably a money problem because Britain suffered long after the first war and the money many thought could go to better use that building up a military again after the war to end all war. The Germans seemed to be getting money from everywhere. Not just from the countries that they had taken over but much from their own people by exploiting them. For example, the Volkswagen or peoples car as it was known. Thousands were hired to work at their different auto plants, but from the start you had to give up so much of your wages each pay to put toward buying one of the finished car which you never got to own in the end.


Yes, the two World Wars broke the empire. With lack of resources the Brits used ingenuity with the Mosquito as an example. They also had drop fuel tanks for aircraft made mostly of paper. Imagine that eh?


If it had been left up to Chamberlin and Halifax the British would have given up at the beginning of the war and be speaking German now. Should have locket those two in the Tower and lost the key. Surprised Churchill didn't shoot them both.

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Chamberlain died in November 1940, just six months after he resigned as PM. Lord Halifax lived until 1959, serving as Ambassador to the USA 1940-46.

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Date Posted:2023-06-14 08:51:09Copy HTML

What stands out to me with the Fairey company is the Swordfish which  impacted the raid at Taranto & the sinking of the Bismarck. The Swordfish was outdated at the time too.

The British all through the war managed to be able to make things work to their advantage even it they were out dated or not the same quality of the enemies. With Germany they had a jump start and started preparing for war years before it came to be. To be honest it was probably a money problem because Britain suffered long after the first war and the money many thought could go to better use that building up a military again after the war to end all war. The Germans seemed to be getting money from everywhere. Not just from the countries that they had taken over but much from their own people by exploiting them. For example, the Volkswagen or peoples car as it was known. Thousands were hired to work at their different auto plants, but from the start you had to give up so much of your wages each pay to put toward buying one of the finished car which you never got to own in the end.


Yes, the two World Wars broke the empire. With lack of resources the Brits used ingenuity with the Mosquito as an example. They also had drop fuel tanks for aircraft made mostly of paper. Imagine that eh?


If it had been left up to Chamberlin and Halifax the British would have given up at the beginning of the war and be speaking German now. Should have locket those two in the Tower and lost the key. Surprised Churchill didn't shoot them both.


And on the subject of Volkswagen, they owe their existence to a British officer who rescued the plant and car immediately after the war ended.

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Date Posted:2023-07-03 10:24:25Copy HTML

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Now this ugly duckling is another great little plane from the Fairey Engineering Company and is called the Gannet, designed shortly after WW2 and first flew in 1949. As you can see it is a short arsed carrier based aircraft, hence the folding wings. It is a very unusual plane with a multifunctional role, as the Brits always like to get value for money out of their aircraft. Unusually it had two engines, mounted side by side operating two contra flow propellers and had the ability to actually fly with one engine turned off to save fuel. Its main role was as an anti submarine craft and in that large belly it could carry an impressive 2,000lb's of bombs, or depth charges, rockets and torpedoes. Notice the position of the front cockpit, which gave the pilot a good forward, downward view, ideal for it's roll against subs and behind the pilot sat the observer with later models carrying a second cockpit for a further observer. In 1950 it became the world's first turbo prop plane to land on an aircraft carrier, HMS Illustrious. In te mid 60's they would be replaced in their roll by Westland helicopters but were then fitted out as electronic counter measure planes. Amazingly it remained in service until 1978 when it was sadly withdrawn from its adoring pilots.

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When did the first aircraft fly? Answer, 1783 as balloons are aircraft too. The first one was built by the Montgolfier brothers and was powered by hot air. The lighter than air gas Hydrogen was known at the time, having been discovered by Englishman Henry Cavendish in 1776 but was such an expensive gas to produce in any large quantity it was dismissed. However, the habit of smoke rising from a fire gave them the idea that burning material created some form of lifting gas. Experiments soon led to burning straw with a ballon over it, which they got to rise to a height of 300 metres. This achievement attracted the French Academy of Science and with their backing the brothers soon moved on to much larger scale models. In 1783 they had their first balloon ready for flight, a paper balloon as it happens, suspended over a fire. The King considered this so dangerous he suggested they throw a condemned prisoner in the balloon for the first attempt but a the scientist Jean De Rozier thought it outrageous that a mere criminal should be the first man to fly and so he was given the dubious honour, along with his friend Francois d' Arlandes. The ballon sustained fire damage before it got off the ground but following some hasty repair, they finally flew for 25 minutes, having almost landed them in Paris along the way and the first manned flight passed of with no fatality. I often wonder why these courageous men's names are hardly known outside of France.
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Amazingly the first flight across the English Channel took place just over a year later.

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When did the first aircraft fly? Answer, 1783 as balloons are aircraft too. The first one was built by the Montgolfier brothers and was powered by hot air. The lighter than air gas Hydrogen was known at the time, having been discovered by Englishman Henry Cavendish in 1776 but was such an expensive gas to produce in any large quantity it was dismissed. However, the habit of smoke rising from a fire gave them the idea that burning material created some form of lifting gas. Experiments soon led to burning straw with a ballon over it, which they got to rise to a height of 300 metres. This achievement attracted the French Academy of Science and with their backing the brothers soon moved on to much larger scale models. In 1783 they had their first balloon ready for flight, a paper balloon as it happens, suspended over a fire. The King considered this so dangerous he suggested they throw a condemned prisoner in the balloon for the first attempt but a the scientist Jean De Rozier thought it outrageous that a mere criminal should be the first man to fly and so he was given the dubious honour, along with his friend Francois d' Arlandes. The ballon sustained fire damage before it got off the ground but following some hasty repair, they finally flew for 25 minutes, having almost landed them in Paris along the way and the first manned flight passed of with no fatality. I often wonder why these courageous men's names are hardly known outside of France.

I just went to the Balloon Rally in Wellsville, N.Y. It is held every year in July & draws crowds from far & wide. 

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Did you go up in one, has anyone here been up in one?

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No, not me.
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Did you go up in one, has anyone here been up in one?


We have them in my area but not all that keen in going up in one especially when you are only at the mercy of the wind and you don't know where you will end up landing.


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The A-10 Warthog is a superb ground support aircraft & tank killer. It is built around a 30mm cannon which does not eject its spent shells. The reason is weight distribution & balance, so the spent shells are kept on board for the maintenance crew to remove when the plan is on the ground.
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Did you go up in one, has anyone here been up in one?


We have them in my area but not all that keen in going up in one especially when you are only at the mercy of the wind and you don't know where you will end up landing.


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And when you land, tradition requires the pilot to offer champagne to whoever greets them on the ground. 

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Here's an unlikely beast and so typically soviet, a big, rough, tough ugly duckling taken from the Tupolev OKB fighter. Back in the 50's the USSR was extremely vulnerable to nuclear armed bombers due to their immense borders and even though they had developed a viable surface to air missile systems they just couldn't protect such distances. Their present intercepters had a very short range so the government demanded a more advanced model capable of more distance and firepower, which meant large fuel tanks, which meant more weight, which meant bigger engines, which meant larger wings which meant...... and so we end up with the Tupolev OKB, the world's largest ever fighter plane at the time and when I say plane, I mean singular, as they only ever built one because when Khrushchev came to power he was a missile man himself and so cancelled Stalin's baby in favour of a huge missile system instead. However, the OKB remained as a platform for further development on which many ideas were tested and in 1958 it reemerged in its new guise as the interceptor TU28, which with a full range of everything an intercepter fighter could have at the time and by 1961 finally became the TU128, a monster weighing in at over 43 tons and typically Soviet, it's systems worked but were unsophisticated to say the least. It was codenamed by NATO as the Fiddler. It wasn't capable of ever dogfighting, its role was to have the ability for long range and durability and to do nothing more than intercept incoming, slower bombers. It was updated to have variable wing geometry but other that that, remained as first designed. They built 198, most of which were scrapped in 1970 with a few remaining on show.
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