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HA! That is the woman who is to head Biden's ministry of truth, you know it, I know it, the world knows it, but putting your fingers in your ears and screaming Nrrrrr Narrrrr Narrrr, will not cancel that fact. You don't want to watch her because you don't want to be confronted by the humiliation of it.
If they were on a recognized station I would watch. Find the same thing on one of them and I will watch it.
What do you mean, recognised station? You mean one that tells you what you they need you to know? The vid isn't any kind of station, it's been put on by a private individual, which you can still do until the women in the vid and her kind get control and there will be no need after that. Fact is, this is Biden's choice to govern what should be allowed online. She gets to choose what's disinformation and what's not. Now it doesn't matter what party you support, this is a case of creeping political censorship, something both you and I and every other freedom loving person throughout the west should fight to their last breath.

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We don't have ministries in America.  We have departments, boards and bureaus.  Naming this a Board of Disinformation Governance is at least an accurate description of what Jankowicz will head up and that is disinformation.  Nevertheless, the majority of Americans know this for what it is:  The Ministry of Truth.  Next will come the Committee of Public Safety.

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If they were on a recognized station I would watch. Find the same thing on one of them and I will watch it.
What do you mean, recognised station? You mean one that tells you what you they need you to know? The vid isn't any kind of station, it's been put on by a private individual, which you can still do until the women in the vid and her kind get control and there will be no need after that. Fact is, this is Biden's choice to govern what should be allowed online. She gets to choose what's disinformation and what's not. Now it doesn't matter what party you support, this is a case of creeping political censorship, something both you and I and every other freedom loving person throughout the west should fight to their last breath.

I mean a TV station we have all heard of like ABC, CBS, NBC, MSNBC, CBC, Global, BBC, FOX News, CNN.
Not some guy making up his own video in his basement. Because you can't be sure it hasn't been dickied.
Art could have got a better copy from his favour station, Fox News which is the most watched station in the States. That's because most people probably have to pay a little extra to get CNN. It was rated number one for News in America. If you don't believe me check it out on line. Just remember there is a difference between most watched and best rated.
Like in China and Russia the most watch news is on State TV because that's the only channel they have to watch.

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CNN has tanked and rightly so. Now, what if it was posted by an individual, it is still the truth, you remember what that was. It is still her singing about censorship to the Mary Poppins song supercalafragalistic...... Watch it, gert embarrassed by the fact you support a party that would introduce such an office and have such a shallow, partisan idiot in charge.

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CNN has tanked and rightly so. Now, what if it was posted by an individual, it is still the truth, you remember what that was. It is still her singing about censorship to the Mary Poppins song supercalafragalistic...... Watch it, gert embarrassed by the fact you support a party that would introduce such an office and have such a shallow, partisan idiot in charge.
CNN has not tanked, don't know where you get this from.

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CNN has tanked and rightly so. Now, what if it was posted by an individual, it is still the truth, you remember what that was. It is still her singing about censorship to the Mary Poppins song supercalafragalistic...... Watch it, gert embarrassed by the fact you support a party that would introduce such an office and have such a shallow, partisan idiot in charge.
CNN has not tanked, don't know where you get this from.


In the US, CNN'S rating have tanked, CNN sees ratings dive by 90% after 2021 coverage (nypost.com) .

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CNN has tanked and rightly so. Now, what if it was posted by an individual, it is still the truth, you remember what that was. It is still her singing about censorship to the Mary Poppins song supercalafragalistic...... Watch it, gert embarrassed by the fact you support a party that would introduce such an office and have such a shallow, partisan idiot in charge.
CNN has not tanked, don't know where you get this from.


In the US, CNN'S rating have tanked, CNN sees ratings dive by 90% after 2021 coverage (nypost.com) .
They spent a fortune creating a subscription channel, which was wound up in just one month for lack of interest.

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CNN has tanked and rightly so. Now, what if it was posted by an individual, it is still the truth, you remember what that was. It is still her singing about censorship to the Mary Poppins song supercalafragalistic...... Watch it, gert embarrassed by the fact you support a party that would introduce such an office and have such a shallow, partisan idiot in charge.
CNN has not tanked, don't know where you get this from.


In the US, CNN'S rating have tanked, CNN sees ratings dive by 90% after 2021 coverage (nypost.com) .
I read the article through Grey and what I seen is a right wing group going after a left wing group. They said that there numbers were down and gave them but even if everyone in American didn't watch that time period, there is over that number of Canadians alone watched it so the numbers are shewed to have you believe something that isn't true. They reason the right switched to fox to watch on the 6th of Jan was it was all people from the right who attacked the Capital building and tried to over throw America and probably wanted to see it happen and were worried they wouldn't get to see their friends and relatives on CNN.

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You're still gullible enough for the overthrow theory eh? Unbelievable.

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Did any of you know there is genocide going on in Nigeria? I covered this country and its Islam problem a few years back but it has got so much worse since then and thousands off Christians are being murdered for, well being Christians. They're averaging around 400 a month so far this year, which makes them by far the worse country in the world to be a Christian, even worse than Iran. Nigeria is the most populated nation on the continent with around 200,000,000 living there. 60 years ago it was almost wholly Christian, the figure today? Just about equal. It's an astonishing turnaround and the relentless campaign of violence is accelerating the inequality at a disturbing rate. By the time the muslim figure hits 60% a corresponding acceleration will begin to see a point of no return for Christians. They either have to prosecute this genocidal war with the same fanaticism as the muslims or go extinct but there is now a problem which will most likely prevent this, all of the agencies of government have been taken over by muslims. Meanwhile, as with anything Islamic, the west remains dutifully silent.

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You're still gullible enough for the overthrow theory eh? Unbelievable.
I watched it live minute by minute from start to finish, Art. Please don't try and tell me I didn't see what I saw. I also was switching from channel to channel watching what all the news station were showing and saying. It was far right white nationalist doing a lot of it and I only seen one black guy in the crown with a camera who also entered the Capital building. I won't count the two black security guards who were there trying to protect the building. Now there was two bombs place so that person if caught could face terrorist charges. The Police found a vehicle which contained weapons and also a hotel room used by white nationists than had more.
Now America formed Militia groups way back when, to protect their Government from foreign attack. The militia groups that showed up a the capital all decked out in Military gear such as the Proud Boys and Gate Keepers weren't there to protect the government but to over throw an elected one because they were told my Trump and crew that the election was stolen and to take it back. It was considered an insurrection no matter which way you slice it especially if you use force which they did against the Capital Guards and police and that's how it will be written in American and World History books with pictures in the future..

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You only saw one black man? Then he was outnumbered by FBI agent provocateurs by about 10 to 1. Far right white nationalists? Grow up. They were ordinary people, many ex servicemen. Don't ever go to a football match here in England, the fans will terrify somebody as fragile as you. They found a hotel room eh? Plenty big enough, they could probably have used a telephone booth at a pinch. As for guards trying to protect the building, opening the doors and watching them calmly walk in and engaging many of them in conversation is good protection. Meanwhile, not long ago, BLM torched washington, destroyed buildings, burned cars looted and destroyed and not a peep out of you. Now if your delusion of these people had included burning cars, burned buildings, looted offices and police shot, i'd say you were onto something but conjecture and fantasy's all you've got.

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You only saw one black man? Then he was outnumbered by FBI agent provocateurs by about 10 to 1. Far right white nationalists? Grow up. They were ordinary people, many ex servicemen. Don't ever go to a football match here in England, the fans will terrify somebody as fragile as you. They found a hotel room eh? Plenty big enough, they could probably have used a telephone booth at a pinch. As for guards trying to protect the building, opening the doors and watching them calmly walk in and engaging many of them in conversation is good protection. Meanwhile, not long ago, BLM torched washington, destroyed buildings, burned cars looted and destroyed and not a peep out of you. Now if your delusion of these people had included burning cars, burned buildings, looted offices and police shot, i'd say you were onto something but conjecture and fantasy's all you've got.
Your so out of touch with the real world Art it's ridiculous. BLM didn't try to over throw the Government though did they. Your far right talk and your little knowledge about it, is past the sad stage.

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Representative Marjorie Taylor Greene compared the billions of dollars that Congress is rushing to send to Ukraine for humanitarian and military aid to a "money laundering scheme," saying that nonprofits are being funded by the "friends and families" of U.S. elected officials.
Speaking Monday on a podcast about the $40 billion package making its way through Congress, the Georgia Republican said that federal lawmakers "fund non­profits, they fund NGOs, they fund grants, grants that go to people, and if you really look into it, a lot of times it's their friends and families that operate these non­profits and NGOs, and it's basically like money laundering schemes."
Greene is among the 57 House Republicans who have voted twice against sending aid funding to Ukraine during its war with Russia. Both rounds of relief passed overwhelmingly in the House in 368-57 votes, and the Senate is preparing to take up its vote on the second package this week. In March, Congress passed a $1.5 trillion appropriations package, which included $13.6 billion in emergency aid for Ukraine.
During her interview on the podcast The Truth With Lisa Boothe, Greene alleged there is similar corruption at nonprofits that are dedicated to helping migrants at the U.S.-Mexico border.
Greene explained that she was against sending aid because there was money "to defend Ukraine's border but not to secure our border."
"Our American tax dollars get abused because they go to these nonprofits and these NGOs and fund all kinds of grants. They just go to things that don't need to be spent when our own people are suffering," she said.
Americans are facing problems that aren't being addressed with government funding, she noted, adding that she thinks it is hypocritical Congress wants to send money to Ukraine but not to other countries that are also experiencing violence.
"We don't want this to be happening to innocent people, but yet they totally ignore the fact that, guess what, Ethiopia is having a civil war right now, and there's thousands of people that have been killed and millions have been displaced," Greene said. "So it's such a hypocrisy. It's not really about saving lives, but it certainly is about Ukraine."
Despite objections to the latest Ukraine package from some congressional Republicans, Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell has urged both parties to "help us pass this urgent funding bill."
"They're only asking for the resources they need to defend themselves against this deranged invasion," McConnell said of the Ukrainian people. "And they need this help right now."
McConnell, who led a surprise visit to Kyiv over the weekend, returned from meeting with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky on Monday. He traveled to the country with GOP Senators Susan Collins of Maine, John Cornyn of Texas and John Barrasso of Wyoming.
In a statement Sunday, McConnell said the congressional delegation "reaffirmed to President Zelensky that the United States stands squarely behind Ukraine and will sustain our support until Ukraine wins this war."
She can't even get on side with her own Party. She only supports MAGA.
And who is MAGA, Art will ask. The side of the Republican Party that is ruining the whole Party by spreading falsehoods and making the party look stupid to the world. The Bill passed without the help of MAGA.
Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell is facing resistance from Trump-backed candidates over a $40 billion Ukrainian aid bill.
The bill would provide more support for Ukraine's military and refugees as the country continues to fight off Russia's invasion. However, some Trump-aligned Senate candidates have rejected the bill—a sign of a growing divide within the Republican Party with regards to foreign policy.
Some of the candidates are attacking their Democratic opponents for supporting the bill—by extension an attack on McConnell, a Kentucky Republican, who is pushing for the its passage.

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You only saw one black man? Then he was outnumbered by FBI agent provocateurs by about 10 to 1. Far right white nationalists? Grow up. They were ordinary people, many ex servicemen. Don't ever go to a football match here in England, the fans will terrify somebody as fragile as you. They found a hotel room eh? Plenty big enough, they could probably have used a telephone booth at a pinch. As for guards trying to protect the building, opening the doors and watching them calmly walk in and engaging many of them in conversation is good protection. Meanwhile, not long ago, BLM torched washington, destroyed buildings, burned cars looted and destroyed and not a peep out of you. Now if your delusion of these people had included burning cars, burned buildings, looted offices and police shot, i'd say you were onto something but conjecture and fantasy's all you've got.
You so out of touch with the real world Art it's ridiculous. BLM didn't try to over throw the Government though did they. Your far right talk and your little knowledge about it, is past the sad stage.
Overthrow a government? Are you really that naive that you think a small crowd of unarmed civilians could overthrow the entire government and establishment of the USA? It's security services, it's police force and entire military organisation? Don't answer that, I already know.

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insurrection
Definition of insurrection
: an act or instance of revolting against civil authority or an established government.

Are you trying to sat this didn't happen on Jan 6th.

The Capital building while under attack asked for the military to be called in and when they they got ahold of them they were very slow to react because the excuse was, they didn't know if the order should come from the out going President (Trump) or the incoming one (Biden). Trump had people in Petagon which slowed it down and this was looked at under questioning after the fact. Trump was at the White House watching it all unfold on TV and even with when serveral people called from the Capital, he failed to act. His Daughter was at the White House and twice she went in and told him to stop it but he wouldn't even listen to her. People around him in the White House also told him to stop it but he waited hours later from first seeing what was going on till he finally told the people to go home and told them that he loved them all. They had a gallows set up outside the Capital Building and if they had managed to get a hold of Mike Pence, they would hung him. Trump put them up to it because he wanted Pence not to do the change over, but my Law Pence had to and he told Trump that, so that's why Trump told the crowds to hang Mike Pence. The rioters got so far as the Chamber where all the members were and a female broke the window and tried to climb in the room with them and she was shoot dead. Pence and crew was taken out of the place by the security service down stairs to the tunnels. The same tunnel that Marjorie Tayler Greene took a group of people on a tour of the day before, even though the building was suppose to be closed to tourists. The Jan 6th insurrection had been plained it has now come out, long before the 6th of Jan. Just too many wittnesses testifying to it now, to doubt it.

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 RALEIGH, N.C. (AP) — U.S. Rep. Madison Cawthorn faces seven challengers Tuesday in North Carolina's Republican primary, an early test of whether voters will grant the pro-Donald Trump firebrand another term despite his personal and political stumbles.
Several GOP leaders have turned away from the 26-year-old congressman, with some citing a series of unforced errors, such as calling Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy a “thug” after Russia invaded his country. Cawthorn also infuriated fellow Republicans in Congress when he alleged on a podcast that he had been invited to an orgy in Washington.
Cawthorn has banked on his successful fundraising, social media presence and vocal support for the former president to help him win the 11th Congressional District nomination again.
State Sen. Chuck Edwards, Cawthorn's top rival, received endorsements from U.S. Sen. Thom Tillis and the state's top GOP legislative leaders. A super PAC allied with Tillis ran ads against Cawthorn, one of which called him a “reckless embarrassment” and ”dishonest disaster.”
The primary is open to Republican and unaffiliated voters. The leading candidate must get above 30% of the votes to avert a July runoff. The ultimate winner will take on Democratic and Libertarian nominees in the fall. Six candidates were in Tuesday's Democratic primary.
Within days of taking office in early 2021, Cawthorn spoke at the “Stop the Steal” rally questioning Joe Biden's presidential election victory that preceded the Jan. 6 Capitol insurrection. Cawthorn soon became a leading spokesperson for Trump's “America First” policies and conservatives in the culture wars. Trump has endorsed him.
Cawthorn recently called Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy a “thug” after Russia invaded his country.
Besides the remark about being invited to an orgy, Cawthron said he had seen leaders in the movement to end drug addiction use cocaine. House Republican leader Kevin McCarthy reprimanded him publicly for the remarks.
Cawthorn has been stopped by police on driving citations three times since October and caught with guns at airport checkpoints twice since last year, including last month. And videos released in the campaign's final weeks showed Cawthorn in sexually suggestive poses, which he said were from several years ago — meant to be funny and nothing else.
Cawthorn acknowledged speeding and gun citations as failings, but said the videos were part of a “drip campaign” by his political enemies, of which he has included some Republicans, to flood the district with negative stories.
Cawthorn was seen as a rising star by many conservatives when in 2020 he won a primary runoff for the seat being vacated by Mark Meadows, Trump’s chief of staff.
Cawthorn, who uses a wheelchair after being partially paralyzed from a car accident as a teenager, turned 25 — the constitutionally mandated minimum age to serve in the House — during the 2020 campaign.
In an election-eve post on his social media site Truth Social, Trump asked primary voters to back him again: “Recently, he made some foolish mistakes, which I don't believe he'll make again ... let's give Madison a second chance!”
His biggest political mistake may have occurred last fall, when he decided to run for a different U.S. House seat that could have led to an easier reelection bid, only to return to the 11th District when redistricting litigation shifted the lines again. Edwards and others accuse Cawthorn of trying to walk away from his constituents for political convenience.
Gary D. Robertson, The Associated Press

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insurrection
Definition of insurrection
: an act or instance of revolting against civil authority or an established government.

Are you trying to sat this didn't happen on Jan 6th.

The Capital building while under attack asked for the military to be called in and when they they got ahold of them they were very slow to react because the excuse was, they didn't know if the order should come from the out going President (Trump) or the incoming one (Biden). Trump had people in Petagon which slowed it down and this was looked at under questioning after the fact. Trump was at the White House watching it all unfold on TV and even with when serveral people called from the Capital, he failed to act. His Daughter was at the White House and twice she went in and told him to stop it but he wouldn't even listen to her. People around him in the White House also told him to stop it but he waited hours later from first seeing what was going on till he finally told the people to go home and told them that he loved them all. They had a gallows set up outside the Capital Building and if they had managed to get a hold of Mike Pence, they would hung him. Trump put them up to it because he wanted Pence not to do the change over, but my Law Pence had to and he told Trump that, so that's why Trump told the crowds to hang Mike Pence. The rioters got so far as the Chamber where all the members were and a female broke the window and tried to climb in the room with them and she was shoot dead. Pence and crew was taken out of the place by the security service down stairs to the tunnels. The same tunnel that Marjorie Tayler Greene took a group of people on a tour of the day before, even though the building was suppose to be closed to tourists. The Jan 6th insurrection had been plained it has now come out, long before the 6th of Jan. Just too many wittnesses testifying to it now, to doubt it.

Don't get robotic with me. By that standard a single person could be charged with insurrection if they entered illegally but would it scare the average Dem shitless, probably.

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I see it this way - Trump did not directly call for an uprising, but he did whip his mob into a frenzy of outrage by constantly going on about a stolen election. His calls for the violence to stop were genuine but he left it too late. 
Had the mob succeeded in delaying the ratification or prevented it altogether Trump would have taken it as a signal to remain as President citing the will of the people in overturning a "stolen" election. 
He saw it as the last opportunity to hold onto power even if, in the long run, he knew it was doomed. Trump is the ultimate egotist, defeat and failure are not to be countenanced, any means legal or otherwise can be used to secure victory.  

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I see it this way - Trump did not directly call for an uprising, but he did whip his mob into a frenzy of outrage by constantly going on about a stolen election. His calls for the violence to stop were genuine but he left it too late. 
Had the mob succeeded in delaying the ratification or prevented it altogether Trump would have taken it as a signal to remain as President citing the will of the people in overturning a "stolen" election. 
He saw it as the last opportunity to hold onto power even if, in the long run, he knew it was doomed. Trump is the ultimate egotist, defeat and failure are not to be countenanced, any means legal or otherwise can be used to secure victory.  
You forgot to add the speech he gave to them before the march, where he told them not to use violence or antagonise the authorities.

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I see it this way - Trump did not directly call for an uprising, but he did whip his mob into a frenzy of outrage by constantly going on about a stolen election. His calls for the violence to stop were genuine but he left it too late. 
Had the mob succeeded in delaying the ratification or prevented it altogether Trump would have taken it as a signal to remain as President citing the will of the people in overturning a "stolen" election. 
He saw it as the last opportunity to hold onto power even if, in the long run, he knew it was doomed. Trump is the ultimate egotist, defeat and failure are not to be countenanced, any means legal or otherwise can be used to secure victory.  
You forgot to add the speech he gave to them before the march, where he told them not to use violence or antagonise the authorities.
The division here between the "Trumpies" & the rest of us is ever widening. I basically agree with Mark & consider the speech Trump gave before the violence as a cover your ass window dressing thingy. As a moderate Republican for life, my credo is we have to get away from Trump & his endless "stolen election" drivel. It is wearing thin.

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We are as one on this, Tommy my brother from another mother. Trump's calls for a peaceful demonstration were exactly as you say, rather like Putin saying he doesn't target civilians and when he does says "nothing to do with me". 

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It's either Trump or DeSantis and the US needs one or the other badly. There are other Repubs I really admire, Cruz, Jordan, Kennedy but I don't see them running. As for the election, a film has just been released called 2000 mules which covers the stolen election.

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Best scenario is some Republican front-runner gets Trump's endorsement. Of course that won't happen when Trump decides to run.

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I see it this way - Trump did not directly call for an uprising, but he did whip his mob into a frenzy of outrage by constantly going on about a stolen election. His calls for the violence to stop were genuine but he left it too late. 
Had the mob succeeded in delaying the ratification or prevented it altogether Trump would have taken it as a signal to remain as President citing the will of the people in overturning a "stolen" election. 
He saw it as the last opportunity to hold onto power even if, in the long run, he knew it was doomed. Trump is the ultimate egotist, defeat and failure are not to be countenanced, any means legal or otherwise can be used to secure victory.  
Had the mob succeeded in delaying the ratification or prevented it altogether Trump would have taken it as a signal to remain as President citing the will of the people in overturning a "stolen" election. 

 Just by delaying it purposely is against the law Mark. 
He also with his close group preplained and organized the mop well in advance. It's all coming out in the 6th of Jan investigation.

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Rank：level-6 Score：3340 Posts：3340 From：United Kingdom Register：2008-12-20 12:28:28	Re：Politics Date Posted：2022-05-12 07:20:27Copy HTML HA! That is the woman who is to head Biden's ministry of truth, you know it, I know it, the world knows it, but putting your fingers in your ears and screaming Nrrrrr Narrrrr Narrrr, will not cancel that fact. You don't want to watch her because you don't want to be confronted by the humiliation of it. If they were on a recognized station I would watch. Find the same thing on one of them and I will watch it. What do you mean, recognised station? You mean one that tells you what you they need you to know? The vid isn't any kind of station, it's been put on by a private individual, which you can still do until the women in the vid and her kind get control and there will be no need after that. Fact is, this is Biden's choice to govern what should be allowed online. She gets to choose what's disinformation and what's not. Now it doesn't matter what party you support, this is a case of creeping political censorship, something both you and I and every other freedom loving person throughout the west should fight to their last breath.
shula	Share to: #77
Rank：level-6 Score：1043 Posts：1043 From：USA Register：2008-11-24 12:06:54	Re：Politics Date Posted：2022-05-12 07:32:51Copy HTML We don't have ministries in America. We have departments, boards and bureaus. Naming this a Board of Disinformation Governance is at least an accurate description of what Jankowicz will head up and that is disinformation. Nevertheless, the majority of Americans know this for what it is: The Ministry of Truth. Next will come the Committee of Public Safety. "It is forbidden to spit on cats in plague-time." -Albert Camus-
pbandrew3rd	Share to: #78
Rank：level-6 Score：2030 Posts：2030 From：Canada Register：2022-04-22 08:45:46	Re：Politics Date Posted：2022-05-13 08:21:23Copy HTML If they were on a recognized station I would watch. Find the same thing on one of them and I will watch it. What do you mean, recognised station? You mean one that tells you what you they need you to know? The vid isn't any kind of station, it's been put on by a private individual, which you can still do until the women in the vid and her kind get control and there will be no need after that. Fact is, this is Biden's choice to govern what should be allowed online. She gets to choose what's disinformation and what's not. Now it doesn't matter what party you support, this is a case of creeping political censorship, something both you and I and every other freedom loving person throughout the west should fight to their last breath. I mean a TV station we have all heard of like ABC, CBS, NBC, MSNBC, CBC, Global, BBC, FOX News, CNN. Not some guy making up his own video in his basement. Because you can't be sure it hasn't been dickied. Art could have got a better copy from his favour station, Fox News which is the most watched station in the States. That's because most people probably have to pay a little extra to get CNN. It was rated number one for News in America. If you don't believe me check it out on line. Just remember there is a difference between most watched and best rated. Like in China and Russia the most watch news is on State TV because that's the only channel they have to watch.
majorshrapnel	Share to: #79
Rank：level-6 Score：3340 Posts：3340 From：United Kingdom Register：2008-12-20 12:28:28	Re：Politics Date Posted：2022-05-14 09:30:23Copy HTML CNN has tanked and rightly so. Now, what if it was posted by an individual, it is still the truth, you remember what that was. It is still her singing about censorship to the Mary Poppins song supercalafragalistic...... Watch it, gert embarrassed by the fact you support a party that would introduce such an office and have such a shallow, partisan idiot in charge.
pbandrew3rd	Share to: #80
Rank：level-6 Score：2030 Posts：2030 From：Canada Register：2022-04-22 08:45:46	Re：Politics Date Posted：2022-05-14 08:47:27Copy HTML CNN has tanked and rightly so. Now, what if it was posted by an individual, it is still the truth, you remember what that was. It is still her singing about censorship to the Mary Poppins song supercalafragalistic...... Watch it, gert embarrassed by the fact you support a party that would introduce such an office and have such a shallow, partisan idiot in charge. CNN has not tanked, don't know where you get this from.
Greystarfish1	Share to: #81
Rank：level-4 Score：261 Posts：261 From：USA Register：2008-11-18 02:01:50	Re：Politics Date Posted：2022-05-14 11:53:13Copy HTML CNN has tanked and rightly so. Now, what if it was posted by an individual, it is still the truth, you remember what that was. It is still her singing about censorship to the Mary Poppins song supercalafragalistic...... Watch it, gert embarrassed by the fact you support a party that would introduce such an office and have such a shallow, partisan idiot in charge. CNN has not tanked, don't know where you get this from. In the US, CNN'S rating have tanked, CNN sees ratings dive by 90% after 2021 coverage (nypost.com) .
majorshrapnel	Share to: #82
Rank：level-6 Score：3340 Posts：3340 From：United Kingdom Register：2008-12-20 12:28:28	Re：Politics Date Posted：2022-05-15 09:13:59Copy HTML CNN has tanked and rightly so. Now, what if it was posted by an individual, it is still the truth, you remember what that was. It is still her singing about censorship to the Mary Poppins song supercalafragalistic...... Watch it, gert embarrassed by the fact you support a party that would introduce such an office and have such a shallow, partisan idiot in charge. CNN has not tanked, don't know where you get this from. In the US, CNN'S rating have tanked, CNN sees ratings dive by 90% after 2021 coverage (nypost.com) . They spent a fortune creating a subscription channel, which was wound up in just one month for lack of interest.
pbandrew3rd	Share to: #83
Rank：level-6 Score：2030 Posts：2030 From：Canada Register：2022-04-22 08:45:46	Re：Politics Date Posted：2022-05-15 09:26:22Copy HTML CNN has tanked and rightly so. Now, what if it was posted by an individual, it is still the truth, you remember what that was. It is still her singing about censorship to the Mary Poppins song supercalafragalistic...... Watch it, gert embarrassed by the fact you support a party that would introduce such an office and have such a shallow, partisan idiot in charge. CNN has not tanked, don't know where you get this from. In the US, CNN'S rating have tanked, CNN sees ratings dive by 90% after 2021 coverage (nypost.com) . I read the article through Grey and what I seen is a right wing group going after a left wing group. They said that there numbers were down and gave them but even if everyone in American didn't watch that time period, there is over that number of Canadians alone watched it so the numbers are shewed to have you believe something that isn't true. They reason the right switched to fox to watch on the 6th of Jan was it was all people from the right who attacked the Capital building and tried to over throw America and probably wanted to see it happen and were worried they wouldn't get to see their friends and relatives on CNN.
majorshrapnel	Share to: #84
Rank：level-6 Score：3340 Posts：3340 From：United Kingdom Register：2008-12-20 12:28:28	Re：Politics Date Posted：2022-05-15 11:18:57Copy HTML You're still gullible enough for the overthrow theory eh? Unbelievable.
majorshrapnel	Share to: #85
Rank：level-6 Score：3340 Posts：3340 From：United Kingdom Register：2008-12-20 12:28:28	Re：Politics Date Posted：2022-05-16 01:37:55Copy HTML Did any of you know there is genocide going on in Nigeria? I covered this country and its Islam problem a few years back but it has got so much worse since then and thousands off Christians are being murdered for, well being Christians. They're averaging around 400 a month so far this year, which makes them by far the worse country in the world to be a Christian, even worse than Iran. Nigeria is the most populated nation on the continent with around 200,000,000 living there. 60 years ago it was almost wholly Christian, the figure today? Just about equal. It's an astonishing turnaround and the relentless campaign of violence is accelerating the inequality at a disturbing rate. By the time the muslim figure hits 60% a corresponding acceleration will begin to see a point of no return for Christians. They either have to prosecute this genocidal war with the same fanaticism as the muslims or go extinct but there is now a problem which will most likely prevent this, all of the agencies of government have been taken over by muslims. Meanwhile, as with anything Islamic, the west remains dutifully silent.
pbandrew3rd	Share to: #86
Rank：level-6 Score：2030 Posts：2030 From：Canada Register：2022-04-22 08:45:46	Re：Politics Date Posted：2022-05-16 03:17:39Copy HTML You're still gullible enough for the overthrow theory eh? Unbelievable. I watched it live minute by minute from start to finish, Art. Please don't try and tell me I didn't see what I saw. I also was switching from channel to channel watching what all the news station were showing and saying. It was far right white nationalist doing a lot of it and I only seen one black guy in the crown with a camera who also entered the Capital building. I won't count the two black security guards who were there trying to protect the building. Now there was two bombs place so that person if caught could face terrorist charges. The Police found a vehicle which contained weapons and also a hotel room used by white nationists than had more. Now America formed Militia groups way back when, to protect their Government from foreign attack. The militia groups that showed up a the capital all decked out in Military gear such as the Proud Boys and Gate Keepers weren't there to protect the government but to over throw an elected one because they were told my Trump and crew that the election was stolen and to take it back. It was considered an insurrection no matter which way you slice it especially if you use force which they did against the Capital Guards and police and that's how it will be written in American and World History books with pictures in the future..
majorshrapnel	Share to: #87
Rank：level-6 Score：3340 Posts：3340 From：United Kingdom Register：2008-12-20 12:28:28	Re：Politics Date Posted：2022-05-16 03:52:00Copy HTML You only saw one black man? Then he was outnumbered by FBI agent provocateurs by about 10 to 1. Far right white nationalists? Grow up. They were ordinary people, many ex servicemen. Don't ever go to a football match here in England, the fans will terrify somebody as fragile as you. They found a hotel room eh? Plenty big enough, they could probably have used a telephone booth at a pinch. As for guards trying to protect the building, opening the doors and watching them calmly walk in and engaging many of them in conversation is good protection. Meanwhile, not long ago, BLM torched washington, destroyed buildings, burned cars looted and destroyed and not a peep out of you. Now if your delusion of these people had included burning cars, burned buildings, looted offices and police shot, i'd say you were onto something but conjecture and fantasy's all you've got.
pbandrew3rd	Share to: #88
Rank：level-6 Score：2030 Posts：2030 From：Canada Register：2022-04-22 08:45:46	Re：Politics Date Posted：2022-05-16 05:18:24Copy HTML You only saw one black man? Then he was outnumbered by FBI agent provocateurs by about 10 to 1. Far right white nationalists? Grow up. They were ordinary people, many ex servicemen. Don't ever go to a football match here in England, the fans will terrify somebody as fragile as you. They found a hotel room eh? Plenty big enough, they could probably have used a telephone booth at a pinch. As for guards trying to protect the building, opening the doors and watching them calmly walk in and engaging many of them in conversation is good protection. Meanwhile, not long ago, BLM torched washington, destroyed buildings, burned cars looted and destroyed and not a peep out of you. Now if your delusion of these people had included burning cars, burned buildings, looted offices and police shot, i'd say you were onto something but conjecture and fantasy's all you've got. Your so out of touch with the real world Art it's ridiculous. BLM didn't try to over throw the Government though did they. Your far right talk and your little knowledge about it, is past the sad stage.
pbandrew3rd	Share to: #89
Rank：level-6 Score：2030 Posts：2030 From：Canada Register：2022-04-22 08:45:46	Re：Politics Date Posted：2022-05-16 05:34:43Copy HTML Representative Marjorie Taylor Greene compared the billions of dollars that Congress is rushing to send to Ukraine for humanitarian and military aid to a "money laundering scheme," saying that nonprofits are being funded by the "friends and families" of U.S. elected officials. Speaking Monday on a podcast about the $40 billion package making its way through Congress, the Georgia Republican said that federal lawmakers "fund nonprofits, they fund NGOs, they fund grants, grants that go to people, and if you really look into it, a lot of times it's their friends and families that operate these nonprofits and NGOs, and it's basically like money laundering schemes." Greene is among the 57 House Republicans who have voted twice against sending aid funding to Ukraine during its war with Russia. Both rounds of relief passed overwhelmingly in the House in 368-57 votes, and the Senate is preparing to take up its vote on the second package this week. In March, Congress passed a $1.5 trillion appropriations package, which included $13.6 billion in emergency aid for Ukraine. During her interview on the podcast The Truth With Lisa Boothe, Greene alleged there is similar corruption at nonprofits that are dedicated to helping migrants at the U.S.-Mexico border. Greene explained that she was against sending aid because there was money "to defend Ukraine's border but not to secure our border." "Our American tax dollars get abused because they go to these nonprofits and these NGOs and fund all kinds of grants. They just go to things that don't need to be spent when our own people are suffering," she said. Americans are facing problems that aren't being addressed with government funding, she noted, adding that she thinks it is hypocritical Congress wants to send money to Ukraine but not to other countries that are also experiencing violence. "We don't want this to be happening to innocent people, but yet they totally ignore the fact that, guess what, Ethiopia is having a civil war right now, and there's thousands of people that have been killed and millions have been displaced," Greene said. "So it's such a hypocrisy. It's not really about saving lives, but it certainly is about Ukraine." Despite objections to the latest Ukraine package from some congressional Republicans, Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell has urged both parties to "help us pass this urgent funding bill." "They're only asking for the resources they need to defend themselves against this deranged invasion," McConnell said of the Ukrainian people. "And they need this help right now." McConnell, who led a surprise visit to Kyiv over the weekend, returned from meeting with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky on Monday. He traveled to the country with GOP Senators Susan Collins of Maine, John Cornyn of Texas and John Barrasso of Wyoming. In a statement Sunday, McConnell said the congressional delegation "reaffirmed to President Zelensky that the United States stands squarely behind Ukraine and will sustain our support until Ukraine wins this war." She can't even get on side with her own Party. She only supports MAGA. And who is MAGA, Art will ask. The side of the Republican Party that is ruining the whole Party by spreading falsehoods and making the party look stupid to the world. The Bill passed without the help of MAGA. Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell is facing resistance from Trump-backed candidates over a $40 billion Ukrainian aid bill. The bill would provide more support for Ukraine's military and refugees as the country continues to fight off Russia's invasion. However, some Trump-aligned Senate candidates have rejected the bill—a sign of a growing divide within the Republican Party with regards to foreign policy. Some of the candidates are attacking their Democratic opponents for supporting the bill—by extension an attack on McConnell, a Kentucky Republican, who is pushing for the its passage.
majorshrapnel	Share to: #90
Rank：level-6 Score：3340 Posts：3340 From：United Kingdom Register：2008-12-20 12:28:28	Re：Politics Date Posted：2022-05-16 06:07:29Copy HTML You only saw one black man? Then he was outnumbered by FBI agent provocateurs by about 10 to 1. Far right white nationalists? Grow up. They were ordinary people, many ex servicemen. Don't ever go to a football match here in England, the fans will terrify somebody as fragile as you. They found a hotel room eh? Plenty big enough, they could probably have used a telephone booth at a pinch. As for guards trying to protect the building, opening the doors and watching them calmly walk in and engaging many of them in conversation is good protection. Meanwhile, not long ago, BLM torched washington, destroyed buildings, burned cars looted and destroyed and not a peep out of you. Now if your delusion of these people had included burning cars, burned buildings, looted offices and police shot, i'd say you were onto something but conjecture and fantasy's all you've got. You so out of touch with the real world Art it's ridiculous. BLM didn't try to over throw the Government though did they. Your far right talk and your little knowledge about it, is past the sad stage. Overthrow a government? Are you really that naive that you think a small crowd of unarmed civilians could overthrow the entire government and establishment of the USA? It's security services, it's police force and entire military organisation? Don't answer that, I already know.
pbandrew3rd	Share to: #91
Rank：level-6 Score：2030 Posts：2030 From：Canada Register：2022-04-22 08:45:46	Re：Politics Date Posted：2022-05-16 07:20:54Copy HTML insurrection Definition of insurrection : an act or instance of revolting against civil authority or an established government. Are you trying to sat this didn't happen on Jan 6th. The Capital building while under attack asked for the military to be called in and when they they got ahold of them they were very slow to react because the excuse was, they didn't know if the order should come from the out going President (Trump) or the incoming one (Biden). Trump had people in Petagon which slowed it down and this was looked at under questioning after the fact. Trump was at the White House watching it all unfold on TV and even with when serveral people called from the Capital, he failed to act. His Daughter was at the White House and twice she went in and told him to stop it but he wouldn't even listen to her. People around him in the White House also told him to stop it but he waited hours later from first seeing what was going on till he finally told the people to go home and told them that he loved them all. They had a gallows set up outside the Capital Building and if they had managed to get a hold of Mike Pence, they would hung him. Trump put them up to it because he wanted Pence not to do the change over, but my Law Pence had to and he told Trump that, so that's why Trump told the crowds to hang Mike Pence. The rioters got so far as the Chamber where all the members were and a female broke the window and tried to climb in the room with them and she was shoot dead. Pence and crew was taken out of the place by the security service down stairs to the tunnels. The same tunnel that Marjorie Tayler Greene took a group of people on a tour of the day before, even though the building was suppose to be closed to tourists. The Jan 6th insurrection had been plained it has now come out, long before the 6th of Jan. Just too many wittnesses testifying to it now, to doubt it.
pbandrew3rd	Share to: #92
Rank：level-6 Score：2030 Posts：2030 From：Canada Register：2022-04-22 08:45:46	Re：Politics Date Posted：2022-05-17 04:31:51Copy HTML RALEIGH, N.C. (AP) — U.S. Rep. Madison Cawthorn faces seven challengers Tuesday in North Carolina's Republican primary, an early test of whether voters will grant the pro-Donald Trump firebrand another term despite his personal and political stumbles. Several GOP leaders have turned away from the 26-year-old congressman, with some citing a series of unforced errors, such as calling Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy a “thug” after Russia invaded his country. Cawthorn also infuriated fellow Republicans in Congress when he alleged on a podcast that he had been invited to an orgy in Washington. Cawthorn has banked on his successful fundraising, social media presence and vocal support for the former president to help him win the 11th Congressional District nomination again. State Sen. Chuck Edwards, Cawthorn's top rival, received endorsements from U.S. Sen. Thom Tillis and the state's top GOP legislative leaders. A super PAC allied with Tillis ran ads against Cawthorn, one of which called him a “reckless embarrassment” and ”dishonest disaster.” The primary is open to Republican and unaffiliated voters. The leading candidate must get above 30% of the votes to avert a July runoff. The ultimate winner will take on Democratic and Libertarian nominees in the fall. Six candidates were in Tuesday's Democratic primary. Within days of taking office in early 2021, Cawthorn spoke at the “Stop the Steal” rally questioning Joe Biden's presidential election victory that preceded the Jan. 6 Capitol insurrection. Cawthorn soon became a leading spokesperson for Trump's “America First” policies and conservatives in the culture wars. Trump has endorsed him. Cawthorn recently called Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy a “thug” after Russia invaded his country. Besides the remark about being invited to an orgy, Cawthron said he had seen leaders in the movement to end drug addiction use cocaine. House Republican leader Kevin McCarthy reprimanded him publicly for the remarks. Cawthorn has been stopped by police on driving citations three times since October and caught with guns at airport checkpoints twice since last year, including last month. And videos released in the campaign's final weeks showed Cawthorn in sexually suggestive poses, which he said were from several years ago — meant to be funny and nothing else. Cawthorn acknowledged speeding and gun citations as failings, but said the videos were part of a “drip campaign” by his political enemies, of which he has included some Republicans, to flood the district with negative stories. Cawthorn was seen as a rising star by many conservatives when in 2020 he won a primary runoff for the seat being vacated by Mark Meadows, Trump’s chief of staff. Cawthorn, who uses a wheelchair after being partially paralyzed from a car accident as a teenager, turned 25 — the constitutionally mandated minimum age to serve in the House — during the 2020 campaign. In an election-eve post on his social media site Truth Social, Trump asked primary voters to back him again: “Recently, he made some foolish mistakes, which I don't believe he'll make again ... let's give Madison a second chance!” His biggest political mistake may have occurred last fall, when he decided to run for a different U.S. House seat that could have led to an easier reelection bid, only to return to the 11th District when redistricting litigation shifted the lines again. Edwards and others accuse Cawthorn of trying to walk away from his constituents for political convenience. Gary D. Robertson, The Associated Press
majorshrapnel	Share to: #93
Rank：level-6 Score：3340 Posts：3340 From：United Kingdom Register：2008-12-20 12:28:28	Re：Politics Date Posted：2022-05-17 06:49:45Copy HTML insurrection Definition of insurrection : an act or instance of revolting against civil authority or an established government. Are you trying to sat this didn't happen on Jan 6th. The Capital building while under attack asked for the military to be called in and when they they got ahold of them they were very slow to react because the excuse was, they didn't know if the order should come from the out going President (Trump) or the incoming one (Biden). Trump had people in Petagon which slowed it down and this was looked at under questioning after the fact. Trump was at the White House watching it all unfold on TV and even with when serveral people called from the Capital, he failed to act. His Daughter was at the White House and twice she went in and told him to stop it but he wouldn't even listen to her. People around him in the White House also told him to stop it but he waited hours later from first seeing what was going on till he finally told the people to go home and told them that he loved them all. They had a gallows set up outside the Capital Building and if they had managed to get a hold of Mike Pence, they would hung him. Trump put them up to it because he wanted Pence not to do the change over, but my Law Pence had to and he told Trump that, so that's why Trump told the crowds to hang Mike Pence. The rioters got so far as the Chamber where all the members were and a female broke the window and tried to climb in the room with them and she was shoot dead. Pence and crew was taken out of the place by the security service down stairs to the tunnels. The same tunnel that Marjorie Tayler Greene took a group of people on a tour of the day before, even though the building was suppose to be closed to tourists. The Jan 6th insurrection had been plained it has now come out, long before the 6th of Jan. Just too many wittnesses testifying to it now, to doubt it. Don't get robotic with me. By that standard a single person could be charged with insurrection if they entered illegally but would it scare the average Dem shitless, probably.
MarkUK	Share to: #94
Rank：level-6 Score：3994 Posts：3994 From：United Kingdom Register：2009-11-12 09:24:59	Re：Politics Date Posted：2022-05-17 07:47:53Copy HTML I see it this way - Trump did not directly call for an uprising, but he did whip his mob into a frenzy of outrage by constantly going on about a stolen election. His calls for the violence to stop were genuine but he left it too late. Had the mob succeeded in delaying the ratification or prevented it altogether Trump would have taken it as a signal to remain as President citing the will of the people in overturning a "stolen" election. He saw it as the last opportunity to hold onto power even if, in the long run, he knew it was doomed. Trump is the ultimate egotist, defeat and failure are not to be countenanced, any means legal or otherwise can be used to secure victory. You're playing chess with Fate and Fate's winning. Arnold Bennett
majorshrapnel	Share to: #95
Rank：level-6 Score：3340 Posts：3340 From：United Kingdom Register：2008-12-20 12:28:28	Re：Politics Date Posted：2022-05-17 09:05:09Copy HTML I see it this way - Trump did not directly call for an uprising, but he did whip his mob into a frenzy of outrage by constantly going on about a stolen election. His calls for the violence to stop were genuine but he left it too late. Had the mob succeeded in delaying the ratification or prevented it altogether Trump would have taken it as a signal to remain as President citing the will of the people in overturning a "stolen" election. He saw it as the last opportunity to hold onto power even if, in the long run, he knew it was doomed. Trump is the ultimate egotist, defeat and failure are not to be countenanced, any means legal or otherwise can be used to secure victory. You forgot to add the speech he gave to them before the march, where he told them not to use violence or antagonise the authorities.
tommytalldog	Share to: #96
Rank：level-6 Score：5626 Posts：5626 From：USA Register：2008-12-08 11:28:28	Re：Politics Date Posted：2022-05-17 11:10:09Copy HTML I see it this way - Trump did not directly call for an uprising, but he did whip his mob into a frenzy of outrage by constantly going on about a stolen election. His calls for the violence to stop were genuine but he left it too late. Had the mob succeeded in delaying the ratification or prevented it altogether Trump would have taken it as a signal to remain as President citing the will of the people in overturning a "stolen" election. He saw it as the last opportunity to hold onto power even if, in the long run, he knew it was doomed. Trump is the ultimate egotist, defeat and failure are not to be countenanced, any means legal or otherwise can be used to secure victory. You forgot to add the speech he gave to them before the march, where he told them not to use violence or antagonise the authorities. The division here between the "Trumpies" & the rest of us is ever widening. I basically agree with Mark & consider the speech Trump gave before the violence as a cover your ass window dressing thingy. As a moderate Republican for life, my credo is we have to get away from Trump & his endless "stolen election" drivel. It is wearing thin.
MarkUK	Share to: #97
Rank：level-6 Score：3994 Posts：3994 From：United Kingdom Register：2009-11-12 09:24:59	Re：Politics Date Posted：2022-05-17 01:05:49Copy HTML We are as one on this, Tommy my brother from another mother. Trump's calls for a peaceful demonstration were exactly as you say, rather like Putin saying he doesn't target civilians and when he does says "nothing to do with me". You're playing chess with Fate and Fate's winning. Arnold Bennett
majorshrapnel	Share to: #98
Rank：level-6 Score：3340 Posts：3340 From：United Kingdom Register：2008-12-20 12:28:28	Re：Politics Date Posted：2022-05-17 03:01:54Copy HTML It's either Trump or DeSantis and the US needs one or the other badly. There are other Repubs I really admire, Cruz, Jordan, Kennedy but I don't see them running. As for the election, a film has just been released called 2000 mules which covers the stolen election.
tommytalldog	Share to: #99
Rank：level-6 Score：5626 Posts：5626 From：USA Register：2008-12-08 11:28:28	Re：Politics Date Posted：2022-05-17 06:25:05Copy HTML Best scenario is some Republican front-runner gets Trump's endorsement. Of course that won't happen when Trump decides to run.
pbandrew3rd	Share to: #100
Rank：level-6 Score：2030 Posts：2030 From：Canada Register：2022-04-22 08:45:46	Re：Politics Date Posted：2022-05-17 07:57:36Copy HTML I see it this way - Trump did not directly call for an uprising, but he did whip his mob into a frenzy of outrage by constantly going on about a stolen election. His calls for the violence to stop were genuine but he left it too late. Had the mob succeeded in delaying the ratification or prevented it altogether Trump would have taken it as a signal to remain as President citing the will of the people in overturning a "stolen" election. He saw it as the last opportunity to hold onto power even if, in the long run, he knew it was doomed. Trump is the ultimate egotist, defeat and failure are not to be countenanced, any means legal or otherwise can be used to secure victory. Had the mob succeeded in delaying the ratification or prevented it altogether Trump would have taken it as a signal to remain as President citing the will of the people in overturning a "stolen" election. Just by delaying it purposely is against the law Mark. He also with his close group preplained and organized the mop well in advance. It's all coming out in the 6th of Jan investigation.