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Date Posted:2025-01-01 09:07:45Copy HTML 1 January 1136 - The Battle of Llwchwr. The Norman invasion of Wales following their conquest of England was a much more prolonged process taking 30 years before the Welsh Princes accepted the Norman King of England as Overlord whilst retaining a measure of local independence. Nevertheless Norman control was patchy with the Welsh taking every opportunity to rebel against the Norman-English. One such opportunity came with the death of Henry I in December 1135 and the disputed succession. With the English distracted the Welsh under the Lord of Brycheiniog, Hywel ap Maredudd set about raiding Norman settlements in south Wales. The Normans sent a small army to tackle what they expected to be a band of lawless raiders. The two forces met at Llwchwr west of Swansea. Details are scarce, even the name of the Norman commander is unknown, but the Welsh were victorious killing around 500 Normans. The victory emboldened the Welsh into further rebellion which paused Norman expansion into Wales for 30 years. A stone marks the battlefield today. You're playing chess with Fate and Fate's winning.
Arnold Bennett
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tommytalldog | Share to: #51 |
Re:Date of the Day - Military Matters Date Posted:2025-01-15 12:24:48Copy HTML Well, the British have never been known as "neighborly" in the colonial days. |
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MarkUK | Share to: #52 |
Re:Date of the Day - Military Matters Date Posted:2025-01-15 09:58:13Copy HTML 15 January 1865 - The Surrender of Fort Fisher. The capture of this Confederate fort by Unionist troops deprived the Confederacy of its last outlet to the sea. It lay at the mouth of Cape Fear River and protected the port of Wilmington NC. The campaign began at Christmas 1864 with a naval bombardment and the landing of Unionist troops. This however failed when Confederate reinforcements arrived. With a new commander the Unionists tried again in mid January and within three days the fort surrendered with around 1300 taken prisoner and 583 killed. The Unionists lost just over 200 killed. Six weeks later Wilmington itself was captured.
You're playing chess with Fate and Fate's winning.
Arnold Bennett
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tommytalldog | Share to: #53 |
Re:Date of the Day - Military Matters Date Posted:2025-01-15 12:56:56Copy HTML Wilmington was/is an important port & during the Civil War was defended by Fort Fisher which was called "The Rock of Gibraltar." The battleship USS North Carolina is berthed there & she had won the most battle stars of any U.S. battleship in WWII. After the war she was scheduled to be scrapped but the school kids from North Carolina started a fund with their extra money, nickels & dimes to save her. Now she is a museum open to the public. I have visited, very impressive old girl. |
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MarkUK | Share to: #54 |
Re:Date of the Day - Military Matters Date Posted:2025-01-15 01:24:04Copy HTML The only Wilmington I'm aware of is Spencer Compton, Earl of Wilmington, Prime Minister 1742-43. Apparently your Wilmington is named after him. You're playing chess with Fate and Fate's winning.
Arnold Bennett
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tommytalldog | Share to: #55 |
Re:Date of the Day - Military Matters Date Posted:2025-01-15 01:37:53Copy HTML We also have a Wilmington, Delaware, which is the home of Dupont which is called "Mecca" by employees. Probably lots more in the U.S. Most likely named after this Compton feller. |
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tommytalldog | Share to: #56 |
Re:Date of the Day - Military Matters Date Posted:2025-01-15 01:41:49Copy HTML The only Wilmington I'm aware of is Spencer Compton, Earl of Wilmington, Prime Minister 1742-43. Apparently your Wilmington is named after him. Was PM. for only one year??? Another suspicious death? |
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MarkUK | Share to: #57 |
Re:Date of the Day - Military Matters Date Posted:2025-01-15 02:02:53Copy HTML He did die in office, but aged 70. One of our more anonymous Prime Ministers. He succeeded Robert Walpole who served for 21 years, so Wilmington is largely forgotten even though he'd held Ministerial posts for 20 years and served as Speaker of the House of Commons before that. You're playing chess with Fate and Fate's winning.
Arnold Bennett
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MarkUK | Share to: #58 |
Re:Date of the Day - Military Matters Date Posted:2025-01-16 09:13:45Copy HTML 16 January 1809 - The Battle of Corunna. In 1808 Napoleon lured the King of Spain across the border, imprisoned him and placed his own brother Joseph Bonaparte on the Spanish Throne. It was little more than an empty title at first as the capital Madrid remained in Spanish hands, so Napoleon mounted a full scale invasion of Spain. The Spanish called on GB to come to their aid. Two armies landed in the peninsula under the command of Sir John Moore who arrived in Portugal with a second army coming ashore at Corunna on the north west coast of Spain led by Gen. David Baird. The aim was to march inland joining up at Vallodolid for a dash to Madrid. However the Spanish armies defending the capital were rapidly defeated and Madrid fell at the beginning of December. Upon hearing this plus the news that a huge French army was marching west compelled Moore to order a retreat to Corunna where the Royal Navy would evacuate the entire army. Baird reached there first, but Moore who had further to go and was harassed all the way by the French, arrived on 11 January. Unfortunately the evacuation fleet had been held up by bad weather and only appeared on the 14th. Embarkation began immediately and was still underway when the French arrived on the 16th. Moore led the defence of the port successfully holding off the French under Marshal Soult but was himself mortally wounded, Baird too was badly injured but survived. Moore was hastily buried under cannon fire before the remaining men were evacuated overnight. It was a French victory but in saving most of his army at the cost of his life earned Moore a special place in British military history. In many ways the events of January 1809 were a foretaste of the Evacuation of Dunkirk 130 years later. When Art gets back he might add more to this as I know he's spoken of Moore before with a better knowledge than me. You're playing chess with Fate and Fate's winning.
Arnold Bennett
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tommytalldog | Share to: #59 |
Re:Date of the Day - Military Matters Date Posted:2025-01-16 01:35:38Copy HTML Earned a special place in British military history, eh? He's no Wellington who dealt with that pesky Napoleon. |
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MarkUK | Share to: #60 |
Re:Date of the Day - Military Matters Date Posted:2025-01-16 02:04:25Copy HTML He was a reformer, a rare thing in those days, who brought the British infantry to peak performance. He saved a large portion of the army sent to Spain to fight another day. There are two barracks named after him in England, the largest at Folkestone where he perfected the art of military discipline and efficiency. You're playing chess with Fate and Fate's winning.
Arnold Bennett
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tommytalldog | Share to: #61 |
Re:Date of the Day - Military Matters Date Posted:2025-01-16 05:12:19Copy HTML Well, he is a "Sir" but so is Elton John. |
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MarkUK | Share to: #62 |
Re:Date of the Day - Military Matters Date Posted:2025-01-16 06:57:23Copy HTML It meant more back then. You're playing chess with Fate and Fate's winning.
Arnold Bennett
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majorshrapnel | Share to: #63 |
Re:Date of the Day - Military Matters Date Posted:2025-01-17 01:56:59Copy HTML How do we do. I shall attempt a go at a return but I’m still not operating with a full deck. Strange how something so seemingly trivial can end up nearly killing you. I’ll try and start with Sir John Moore, soldiers and military reformer extraordinaire. |
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majorshrapnel | Share to: #64 |
Re:Date of the Day - Military Matters Date Posted:2025-01-17 02:25:54Copy HTML In the educated and higher military circles of the army he is lionised and for good reason, the man was a multi talented soldier and reformer. He was the first to give Napoleon’s army a defeat to take home with them and pave the way for Wellington’s army with his vital reforms. Wellington revered Moore, has did the army right down to this day. When he landed in Portugal with his army it was the finest army ever to leave these shores. He was tasked with kicking the French out of Spain, no small feat, as they were the most well organised and experienced army in the world. |
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majorshrapnel | Share to: #65 |
Re:Date of the Day - Military Matters Date Posted:2025-01-17 03:02:42Copy HTML He had fought in many battles and received the scars to prove it. The British army of the time was was a staid organisation that had not moved with the times and to be a soldier meant hours ever day drilling on the parade ground. Soldiers were like automatons, it must have been the world’s most boring job, outside of war. Moore was tasked with taking this army to Spain to help the Spanish kick the French out of Spain and it has to be said that the Spanish were already doing an excellent job of it themselves, having inflicted a number of defeats on a number of French generals. But….. they were getting a bit too cocky an beginning to think themselves invincible. Napoleon had had enough and sent another French army in, but he was at the head of it. |
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MarkUK | Share to: #66 |
Re:Date of the Day - Military Matters Date Posted:2025-01-17 03:38:47Copy HTML 17 January 1885 - The Battle of Abu Klea. In 1883 Sudan rose up in revolt against its Egyptian rulers and by default the British who were the de facto masters of Egypt. Under the spiritual leadership of The Mahdi the revolt threatened to sweep across north Africa. A British force under Gen. Charles Gordon was sent down the Nile to evacuate Khartoum, but Gordon chose to stay and defend the city and the thousands of inhabitants who sought refuge within its walls. When it became clear that he was trapped a reluctant government in London sent a second relief force down the Nile to his aid. By December 1884 it reached Korti where the Nile turns back north east and flows in a loop for over 420 miles before flowing south again. With a speedy descent on Khartoum vital it was decided that a Desert Column of 1400 would head out across the desert cutting out the loop to rejoin the Nile, a much shorter distance of 176 miles. It set out on 30 December under the command of Maj-Gen Herbert Stewart. On 16 January it had reached the wells at Abu Klea only to find a body of 3000 Mahdists in occupation. The following morning Stewart formed his men into a square and advanced under sniper fire. At one point a Royal Navy contingent ran out with their Gatling gun to provide covering fire. After just 70 rounds it jammed whereupon an impromptu order was given by Col Burnaby for his men to wheel out to defend the gunners. This left a gap in the square which let in dozens of Dervishes. After hand to hand combat every Dervish in the square was killed as were most of the men on the outside with the jammed Gatling including Col Burnaby. The battle was over in less than 20 minutes with the Dervishes being driven off leaving over 1000 dead, the British lost 76 killed and 82 wounded. The battle has local connections for me. Among the dead was Capt John Jervis, 4th Viscount St Vincent, Adjutant of the Heavy Camel Corps. He was mortally wounded and died five days later at Metemmeh where the Desert Column regained the river Nile. His great-aunt Mary, Baroness Forester was born in my home town and had a marble tablet installed in the church detailing his military career. A map showing the loop of the Nile and the "short cut" across the desert. You're playing chess with Fate and Fate's winning.
Arnold Bennett
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majorshrapnel | Share to: #67 |
Re:Date of the Day - Military Matters Date Posted:2025-01-17 05:26:54Copy HTML It’s amazing what a great leader can do to an army and Napoleon soon swept up the arrogant Spanish generals, inflicting a number of easy defeats and slaughtering thousands of their men. Meanwhile Moore’ army had advanced hundreds of miles in land and were getting uncomfortably close to Napoleon himself. To make matters worse the winter had swept in and although Spain is renowned for hot weather, not in winter it isn’t, especially on the prairies and hills where it plunges below zero. The outlying cavalry pickets of both armies clashed and the British cavalry inflicted a decisive defeat on them. They fled and Moore decided to retreat immediately, knowing he was facing an overwhelming force and so began the infamous retreat to Corunna in which a hundred men or more would freeze to death. Moore gathered his tired and disgruntled army and prepared them for battle |
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MarkUK | Share to: #68 |
Re:Date of the Day - Military Matters Date Posted:2025-01-18 09:03:24Copy HTML 18 January 1913 - The Battle of Lemnos. A naval encounter between the Greeks and the Turks in the 1st Balkan War. The 1st Balkan War between an alliance of Greece, Serbia, Bulgaria and Montenegro against the Ottoman Empire began in October 1912. The Greeks quickly captured most of the Turkish islands in the Aegean Sea including Lemnos which they used as a forward base for a blockade of the Dardanelles Strait. The Turks response was a planned attack on Lemnos with a fleet of nine warships. Aware of the threat the Greeks had patrols at sea which sighted the Turks on the morning of 18 January. Thus alerted the Greeks sailed out of Lemnos with eleven ships. The two forces met south east of the island and opened an a gunnery duel in which the Turks proved hopelessly inadequate. Of the 800 shells fired only two found their target whereas the Greeks hit the Turkish ships over 40 times. With three ships damaged the Turks turned and fled making the safety of the Dardanelles from which they never sailed again for the duration of the war. Ottoman casualties were 41 killed and 104 wounded. You're playing chess with Fate and Fate's winning.
Arnold Bennett
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tommytalldog | Share to: #69 |
Re:Date of the Day - Military Matters Date Posted:2025-01-18 11:45:50Copy HTML Some 800 rounds fired with only two hits. Well, more gunnery skills were needed. |
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MarkUK | Share to: #70 |
Re:Date of the Day - Military Matters Date Posted:2025-01-18 12:46:17Copy HTML Interesting that this took place in European waters. Most people think there were no major naval battles in the Mediterranean after the defeat of Napoleon. Yet there was an important battle of the ironclads in 1866 between the Austrians and the Italians. Followed by the admittedly smaller clashes in the Balkan Wars just before World War I, nevertheless involving pre-Dreadnought battleships. You're playing chess with Fate and Fate's winning.
Arnold Bennett
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tommytalldog | Share to: #71 |
Re:Date of the Day - Military Matters Date Posted:2025-01-18 01:54:00Copy HTML The fire control systems greatly improved during WWII. See radar. The sinking of HMS Hood was because the Germans were better at that time. Others think is was a lucky shot by Bismarck. |
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majorshrapnel | Share to: #72 |
Re:Date of the Day - Military Matters Date Posted:2025-01-18 05:28:31Copy HTML Moore,s army was just about keepin ahead of the Frogs and Napoleon when Napoleon turned for home, leaving command and the pursuit to Soult. Finally they reached the coast but there were not enough ships to evacuate the army. The result was battle of Corunna, which was pretty much a stalemate although Moore, sat in the saddle close to the front had a cannon ball remove his shoulder. He was going to die but they kept him alive long enough to see the end of his battle and knowing his army would be withdrawn from Spain, he died. |
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majorshrapnel | Share to: #73 |
Re:Date of the Day - Military Matters Date Posted:2025-01-18 05:38:57Copy HTML There are at least a dozen statues of Moore and if you stopped the next 1000 passing and asked them who he was, you’d get the biggest blank stare in British history |
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majorshrapnel | Share to: #74 |
Re:Date of the Day - Military Matters Date Posted:2025-01-18 05:48:54Copy HTML The fire control systems greatly improved during WWII. See radar. The sinking of HMS Hood was because the Germans were better at that time. Others think is was a lucky shot by Bismarck. The German system was far better than ours but the Hood should not have been there, it was not a battleship, it was a WW1 battle cruiser. It’s deck armour was inadequate and before the bismark broke out, it was going in for modifications and a refit, including the deck armour plating. Even the Prince Of Wales was not finished, it had a whole gang of shipbuilders aboard, who were civilians. That’s how desperate we were |
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pbandrew3rd | Share to: #75 |
Re:Date of the Day - Military Matters Date Posted:2025-01-19 12:21:24Copy HTML How do we do. I shall attempt a go at a return but I’m still not operating with a full deck. Strange how something so seemingly trivial can end up nearly killing you. I’ll try and start with Sir John Moore, soldiers and military reformer extraordinaire. I shall attempt a go at a return but I’m still not operating with a full deck. So what's new then. Sorry left yourself open for that one. |