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Date Posted:2022-08-17 06:06:04 A few days ago on the "This Day in History" page I posted something about King George IV's visit to Scotland in 1822, the first by a reigning Monarch since 1651. This led me into the story of the Scottish Crown Jewels, known as the Honours of Scotland. There are two fascinating tales to tell about them, which I'll do over the next few days. I'll begin with the story of their rescue from destruction by the Puritans in the 1650s. The full set of regalia was used in the Coronation of Charles II as King of Scots at Scone in 1651. However the English under Oliver Cromwell had invaded Scotland the previous year and were advancing on Scone, so it was decided that the precious items would be moved to the remote east coast castle of Dunnottar for safe keeping. By the end of the year Dunnottar itself was under siege, so the regalia had to be moved again, but how? The defenders devised a clever plan, the jewels were placed into sacks and on three occasions in February/March 1652 lowered on a rope over the castle walls to an old woman "collecting seaweed" on the beach below. The "old lady" was in fact Christian the 32 year old wife of the vicar of Kinneff, James Granger, together the two smuggled the regalia into the church where they were buried under the floorboards. There they remained until the Restoration of the Monarchy in 1660 when they were recovered and restored to Edinburgh Castle. Dunnottar Castle |
MarkUK | #1 |
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Re:Reply Topic Date Posted:2022-08-17 06:08:56 kinneff church |
tommytalldog | #2 |
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Re:Reply Topic Date Posted:2022-08-17 06:54:07 Were all the jewels accounted for? |
MarkUK | #3 |
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Re:Reply Topic Date Posted:2022-08-17 08:39:33 They were the Crown, the Sceptre and the Sword, all three were saved and are on display in Edinburgh today. The Grangers shamefully were not rewarded after the Stuart Restoration and the Rev James died in 1663. Faced with destitution his widow petitioned the Scottish Parliament and was awarded 2000 merks (£1,300). Later that year she married Lord Abercrombie. She died in her 70s in 1691. |
MarkUK | #4 |
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Re:Reply Topic Date Posted:2022-08-18 05:54:46 The story of the Honours of Scotland did not end there. No Scottish Monarchs were crowned King or Queen of Scots after 1651, the coronation in Westminster Abbey sufficed for both Kingdoms. Nevertheless the regalia was regularly produced at sessions of the Scottish Parliament to symbolise the authority of the Monarch. However all this changed in 1707 with the abolition of the Scottish Parliament. It was decreed that the Honours would remain secure but redundant in Edinburgh Castle. So they were locked in an oak chest, in a locked room and to ensure complete security the door was bricked up. And there they lay, quite literally forgotten, for over a century. 110 years later in 1817 the Prince Regent George, Prince of Wales made enquiries about the location of the Scottish Crown Jewels only to be told that they were "lost" or at least no-one knew where they were. Therefore the Prince authorised Sir Walter Scott, the celebrated novelist, to search Edinburgh Castle for the regalia. After making exhaustive enquiries Scott was led to a bricked up doorway in February 1818 and told that the Crown Jewels were most likely behind the door. The brickwork was removed to reveal a locked door, but there was no key, it had been lost many years ago. A locksmith was called in to unpick the lock and the room was entered for the first time in 111 years. Inside was a locked chest which again had to be opened by the locksmith and inside were found the Crown, Sceptre and Sword plus a wand which to this day the significance of which is unclear. They were put on public display in the Castle and in 1822 when George, by then King George IV, visited Scotland presented to him. He authorised their retention in Scotland and have remained on public display ever since. |
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Re:Reply Topic Date Posted:2022-08-18 06:41:04 I went to see them three years ago when family arrived from Canada and we were in Edinburgh. It has to be said, that against the English Crown Jewels in the Tower of London they look like trinkets from a garden sale. |
MarkUK | #6 |
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Re:Reply Topic Date Posted:2022-08-18 07:27:32 Scotland couldn't afford such grand regalia as England, the attraction of the Scots' Crown Jewels are that they're older than the English which largely date from the 1660s. |
tommytalldog | #7 |
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Re:Reply Topic Date Posted:2022-08-18 07:41:06 The English conquered the world & had much more to steal from. The Scots have always been an unorganized lot, like the Irish always fighting among themselves. Fierce fighters but perhaps the Druids thinned out too many of them with human sacrifice. |
MarkUK | #8 |
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Re:Reply Topic Date Posted:2022-08-19 08:38:20 The Crown in its current form dates from 1540 when it was recast from the gold of an earlier Crown. The Sceptre was a gift from the Pope in 1494 and the Sword was also a Papal gift from 1507. The English Crown Jewels date from the 1660s, the earlier Mediaeval regalia had been melted down or destroyed by Oliver Cromwell. |
tommytalldog | #9 |
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Re:Reply Topic Date Posted:2022-08-19 08:56:41 The Crown in its current form dates from 1540 when it was recast from the gold of an earlier Crown. The Sceptre was a gift from the Pope in 1494 and the Sword was also a Papal gift from 1507. The English Crown Jewels date from the 1660s, the earlier Mediaeval regalia had been melted down or destroyed by Oliver Cromwell. The Holy Father trying to keep you heathens in the fold with bribes. Of course the Catholic Church stole those gifts from someone else. |
pbandrew3rd | #10 |
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Re:Reply Topic Date Posted:2023-05-24 09:48:53 Were all the jewels accounted for? All but the ones my relatives smuggled into Canada in their skirt hems. |
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Re:Reply Topic Date Posted:2023-05-24 02:50:57 I’ve seen the Scottish Crown Jewels and they’re all right but it really has to be said that next to the English Crown Jewels they look like cheap trinkets |
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Re:Reply Topic Date Posted:2023-05-24 04:29:40 That's because the English stole all the good one's & Pete's male relatives got the rest in the hems of their skirts. |
shula | #13 |
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Re:Reply Topic Date Posted:2023-05-24 11:37:26 Along came a breeze and exposed the Andrew jewels.
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majorshrapnel | #14 |
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Re:Reply Topic Date Posted:2023-05-25 07:23:18 When I first saw the crown jewels, back in the 70's, there was so much gold, acres of it, so many jewels , so much splendour etc that the first thing I thought was....are they real? And watching one of the keepers of them being interviewed at the coronation made me smile when she said, many people seeing them for the first time ask.... are they really real? |
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Re:Reply Topic Date Posted:2023-05-26 12:22:12 Along came a breeze and exposed the Andrew jewels. And that same breeze caused all the ladies to swoon. swoon ˈswün NOUN
Didn't even need a wee breeze after that girl. Got a little funny story Shula that happened a couple of weeks ago. I had to go to my nieces bank to sent her granddaughter money for her birthday. I couldn't do it from my own bank because we bank with different named banks. When I have done this the many times before they ask me for ID because I don't have an account there with that bank. My drivers license is all they need because it has my address license number and my picture on it. I have a young eastern European for a teller and she also asks me for my phone number which is a question I have never been asked before or is it necessary. I tell her it anyway because I can see she is new to doing this and she repeats it back to me. After she does I say that's correct, but don't be phoning me because I am a married man. Well the poor girl working beside over heard this and had to cross her legs trying not to wet herself. With this I was finished with the money transfer I said have a good day to two red faced young ladies and left. I imagine I was the talk of the bank branch coffee room after that. My wife for some reason tells everyone that I shouldn't be let out of the house on my own. |
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Re:Reply Topic Date Posted:2023-05-26 12:26:24 2022-08-18 02:06:04 A few days ago on the "This Day in History" page I posted something about King George IV's visit to Scotland in 1822, the first by a reigning Monarch since 1651. This led me into the story of the Scottish Crown Jewels, known as the Honours of Scotland. There are two fascinating tales to tell about them, which I'll do over the next few days. I'll begin with the story of their rescue from destruction by the Puritans in the 1650s. The full set of regalia was used in the Coronation of Charles II as King of Scots at Scone in 1651. However the English under Oliver Cromwell had invaded Scotland the previous year and were advancing on Scone, so it was decided that the precious items would be moved to the remote east coast castle of Dunnottar for safe keeping. By the end of the year Dunnottar itself was under siege, so the regalia had to be moved again, but how? The defenders devised a clever plan, the jewels were placed into sacks and on three occasions in February/March 1652 lowered on a rope over the castle walls to an old woman "collecting seaweed" on the beach below. The "old lady" was in fact Christian the 32 year old wife of the vicar of Kinneff, James Granger, together the two smuggled the regalia into the church where they were buried under the floorboards. There they remained until the Restoration of the Monarchy in 1660 when they were recovered and restored to Edinburgh Castle. Dunnottar Castle
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MarkUK | #17 |
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Re:Reply Topic Date Posted:2023-05-26 07:31:06 Ropes were longer in those days. |
shula | #18 |
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Re:Reply Topic Date Posted:2023-05-26 07:56:44 You need a shorter leash, little Mr. Mynameisnotwhosagoodboy.
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pbandrew3rd | #19 |
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Re:Reply Topic Date Posted:2023-05-26 10:07:29 Ropes were longer in those days. Everything was longer in Scotland in those days. |
pbandrew3rd | #20 |
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Re:Reply Topic Date Posted:2023-05-26 10:11:46 You need a shorter leash, little Mr. Mynameisnotwhosagoodboy. Like Readers Digest says, Humour is the best medicine. |
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