2022-05-04 05:27:30

May 3, 1942

FDR signs Executive Order 9066 which orders the internment of 112,000 Japanese/Americans to 10 camps. Mostly from the West Coast of the U.S. & thought to be sympathetic to Japanese interests. 

Same as in Canada. Pre-war, most of them had jobs or businesses so didn't have to spend their time in soap lines like us pinkies. They owned taxi companies, restaurants, fleets of fishing boats and usually just stayed in their own group.

In Canada it was first noticed when Canadians started volenteering to serve but few Japanese were. Then they realized that they had a good communication net work set up with their taxi's and fishing fleets. Being on the West coast here like they were in the States the government thought that they could easily communicate with Japanese ships off shore or even Japan it's self. 

They lived pretty good in the camp they made for them. Food was plentiful, schools were set up and the biggest hardship to them which wasn't really necessary was taking all their property and wealth. Here's a little write up on it.

Beginning in 1942, the internment of Japanese Canadians occurred when over 22,000 Japanese Canadians—comprising over 90% of the total Japanese Canadian population—from British Columbia were forcibly relocated and interned in the name of national security.  (14,000 of whom were born in Canada).^[1] This decision followed the events of the Japanese invasions of British Hong Kong and Malaya, the attack on Pearl Harbor in Hawaii, and the subsequent Canadian declaration of war on Japan during World War II. This forced relocation subjected many Japanese Canadians to government-enforced curfews and interrogations, job and property losses, and forced repatriation to Japan.^{[2][page needed]}

From shortly after the December 7, 1941 attack on Pearl Harbor until 1949, Japanese Canadians were stripped of their homes and businesses, then sent to internment camps and farms in British Columbia as well as in some other parts of Canada.^[3] The internment in Canada included the theft, seizure, and sale of property belonging to this forcefully displaced population, which included fishing boats, motor vehicles, houses, farms, businesses, and personal belongings. Japanese Canadians were forced to use the proceeds of forced sales to pay for their basic needs during the internment.^{[2][page needed]}

In August 1944, Prime Minister Mackenzie King announced that Japanese Canadians were to be moved east out of the British Columbia Interior. The official policy stated that Japanese Canadians must move east of the Rocky Mountains or be deported to Japan following the end of the war.^[4] By 1947, many Japanese Canadians had been granted exemption to this enforced no-entry zone. Yet it was not until April 1, 1949, that Japanese Canadians were granted freedom of movement and could re-enter the "protected zone" along BC's coast.^[5][6]

On September 22, 1988, Prime Minister Brian Mulroney delivered an apology, and the Canadian government announced a compensation package, one month after President Ronald Reagan made similar gestures in the United States following the internment of Japanese Americans. The package for interned Japanese Canadians included CA$21,000 to each surviving internee, and the reinstatement of Canadian citizenship to those who were deported to Japan.^[7] Following Mulroney's apology, the Japanese Canadian Redress Agreement was established in 1988, along with the Japanese Canadian Redress Foundation (JCRF; 1988–2002), in order to issue redress payments for internment victims, with the intent of funding education.^[8]

We like Britain and the States never did get an Apology for how our Troops were treated my the Japanese in their camps. It didn't sit well with the Vet's.

2022-05-04 05:27:30

May 3, 1942

FDR signs Executive Order 9066 which orders the internment of 112,000 Japanese/Americans to 10 camps. Mostly from the West Coast of the U.S. & thought to be sympathetic to Japanese interests. 

Same as in Canada. Pre-war, most of them had jobs or businesses so didn't have to spend their time in soap lines like us pinkies. They owned taxi companies, restaurants, fleets of fishing boats and usually just stayed in their own group.

In Canada it was first noticed when Canadians started volenteering to serve but few Japanese were. Then they realized that they had a good communication net work set up with their taxi's and fishing fleets. Being on the West coast here like they were in the States the government thought that they could easily communicate with Japanese ships off shore or even Japan it's self. 

They lived pretty good in the camp they made for them. Food was plentiful, schools were set up and the biggest hardship to them which wasn't really necessary was taking all their property and wealth. Here's a little write up on it.

Beginning in 1942, the internment of Japanese Canadians occurred when over 22,000 Japanese Canadians—comprising over 90% of the total Japanese Canadian population—from British Columbia were forcibly relocated and interned in the name of national security.  (14,000 of whom were born in Canada).^[1] This decision followed the events of the Japanese invasions of British Hong Kong and Malaya, the attack on Pearl Harbor in Hawaii, and the subsequent Canadian declaration of war on Japan during World War II. This forced relocation subjected many Japanese Canadians to government-enforced curfews and interrogations, job and property losses, and forced repatriation to Japan.^{[2][page needed]}

From shortly after the December 7, 1941 attack on Pearl Harbor until 1949, Japanese Canadians were stripped of their homes and businesses, then sent to internment camps and farms in British Columbia as well as in some other parts of Canada.^[3] The internment in Canada included the theft, seizure, and sale of property belonging to this forcefully displaced population, which included fishing boats, motor vehicles, houses, farms, businesses, and personal belongings. Japanese Canadians were forced to use the proceeds of forced sales to pay for their basic needs during the internment.^{[2][page needed]}

In August 1944, Prime Minister Mackenzie King announced that Japanese Canadians were to be moved east out of the British Columbia Interior. The official policy stated that Japanese Canadians must move east of the Rocky Mountains or be deported to Japan following the end of the war.^[4] By 1947, many Japanese Canadians had been granted exemption to this enforced no-entry zone. Yet it was not until April 1, 1949, that Japanese Canadians were granted freedom of movement and could re-enter the "protected zone" along BC's coast.^[5][6]

On September 22, 1988, Prime Minister Brian Mulroney delivered an apology, and the Canadian government announced a compensation package, one month after President Ronald Reagan made similar gestures in the United States following the internment of Japanese Americans. The package for interned Japanese Canadians included CA$21,000 to each surviving internee, and the reinstatement of Canadian citizenship to those who were deported to Japan.^[7] Following Mulroney's apology, the Japanese Canadian Redress Agreement was established in 1988, along with the Japanese Canadian Redress Foundation (JCRF; 1988–2002), in order to issue redress payments for internment victims, with the intent of funding education.^[8]

We like Britain and the States never did get an Apology for how our Troops were treated my the Japanese in their camps. It didn't sit well with the Vet's.

I was unaware Canada did a similar thing to the Japs. 

2028

Plans to deploy large & medium sized unmanned surface vessels alongside carrier strike groups & amphibious ready groups by 2028 for the U.S. Navy. The future is here now. 

Over here "enemy" aliens during both World Wars were interned in camps on the Isle of Man, which as you can see was just the right place to house potential enemies in wartime, in the middle of the Irish Sea.

Over here "enemy" aliens during both World Wars were interned in camps on the Isle of Man, which as you can see was just the right place to house potential enemies in wartime, in the middle of the Irish Sea.

How were they determined "enemy" Mark. The rub against FDR's executive order was there was no proof these people did anything treasonous, other than having Japanese blood. The fear was espionage & sabotage especially on the west coast. In later years the woke types labeled FDR as racist. 

Similar here I think. Some may have made pro-enemy statements, others were simply of German or Italian origin.

On the Isle of Man one "camp" was created by the taking over of seafront hotels and erecting a barbed wire fence around the street, not quite a holiday but a pretty comfortable camp I would think.   

I was unaware Canada did a similar thing to the Japs.

We did Tommy and we probably had our eye on them pre Dec 7th before you guys. We had been watching them since their invasion of China and their quest for expansionism. That's why troops from Britain and her colonies were being send to places like Hong Kong. There were also people with Italian and German heritage locked up. All that it took was for someone to hear then talking in a bar of their support for the otherside in one way or another and Bingo, you were picked up and taken out of the picture. They say lose lips sink ships and their loose lips sunk them. They were paying extra attention to talk in the Halifax NS area because that's where the ships were leaving for Britain from. There is the story of a German sub working off the coast of Nova Scotia getting damaged and having to surrender and when they searched the crew, one had show ticket stubs in his wallet of a theater in NS. Nova Scotia had a lot of old German families living there and some of the German crew members dressed in their oil skins and Sou westers and went ashore and had no problem fitting in as fisherman with the locals.    

There was fears of fifth Columnists getting organized and causing problems within the country. Same for Britain. American made the mistake of letting the Nazi's openly organize support and hold large rallys. Camp X across Lake Ontario from American was already listening in all of Washington's communications pre Dec 7th.

There are stories from both wars of German U-boat crews coming ashore in Ireland, but nothing definite has been proven. Personally I think it's highly unlikely anything like that happened. Although reports of Irish fishermen selling their catch to U-boat commanders out at sea are more feasible. 

Has Art been fiddling with the buttons again Mark? Your icon picture is gone.

Sitting Bull, Hunkpapa Lakota 

June 25, 1876 - Massacres Custer & 200 7th Cavalry troopers at Little Big Horn

Fall, 1876 - Meets with Col. Nelson Miles, U.S. Army to negotiate deal for reservation life. Deal fails

May 5, 1877 - Takes band to Canada, "Grandmother's" (Queen Victoria) country

Next 4 years in Canada. Starts out OK, plenty buffalo, but after a year young bucks war with local tribes

1881 - Returns to U.S.

1883 - Takes his band (187 members) to Standing Rock Reservation

Dec 15, 1890 - Killed by Indian police when he resisted arrest for his part in Ghost Dancing ritual

This is an excellent topic today for the woke type, snowflake, white guilt crowd. A synopsis of the history here reveals Sitting Bull was unable to adapt, was in the way of progress, & was in the end killed by his own people. To the victor go the spoils.

6 May 1622 - The Battle of Wimpfen. 400 years ago today.

A battle fought during the Palatine Campaign, one of the early phases of the Thirty Years War. 

Initially a war about religion; Bohemia rebelled against its Catholic King and appointed a Protestant Prince in his place. Despite the defeat of the rebels in 1620 a number of German Princes continued the fight against the Catholic Emperor Ferdinand II, prominent among them was Georg Friedrich, Margrave of Baden-Durlach. With the threat of three Protestant armies uniting Emperor Ferdinand called upon his ally in the Spanish Netherlands to come to his aid. 

A combined Catholic army led by the Count of Tilly and the Spanish de Córdoba separated George Friedrich from the two other armies at Wimpfen before he could cross the river Neckar. Outnumbered but with more and larger cannon George Friedrich opened fire on the advancing Austro-Spanish following up with a cavalry charge which scattered de Córdoba's advance forces. But as all seemed to be going well for the Protestant army an enemy cannon shot hit the Badener's gunpowder magazine which exploded with devastating force. Demoralised by the blast George Friedrich's army disintegrated and fled. The Margrave himself was wounded and narrowly escaped back to Baden where, several months later following an invasion by a Catholic army, he abdicated.

Sitting Bull, Hunkpapa Lakota 

June 25, 1876 - Massacres Custer & 200 7th Cavalry troopers at Little Big Horn

Fall, 1876 - Meets with Col. Nelson Miles, U.S. Army to negotiate deal for reservation life. Deal fails

May 5, 1877 - Takes band to Canada, "Grandmother's" (Queen Victoria) country

Next 4 years in Canada. Starts out OK, plenty buffalo, but after a year young bucks war with local tribes

1881 - Returns to U.S.

1883 - Takes his band (187 members) to Standing Rock Reservation

Dec 15, 1890 - Killed by Indian police when he resisted arrest for his part in Ghost Dancing ritual

This is an excellent topic today for the woke type, snowflake, white guilt crowd. A synopsis of the history here reveals Sitting Bull was unable to adapt, was in the way of progress, & was in the end killed by his own people. To the victor go the spoils.

I don't know if you've ever read this book Tom, it's called 'Son of the Morning Star' by Evan S Connell and the son in question is Custer himself, his name given to him by the Indians. It's been around nearly 40 years ago I must have read it but it's a great read and quite an eye opener on the Indians.

Sitting Bull, Hunkpapa Lakota 

June 25, 1876 - Massacres Custer & 200 7th Cavalry troopers at Little Big Horn

Fall, 1876 - Meets with Col. Nelson Miles, U.S. Army to negotiate deal for reservation life. Deal fails

May 5, 1877 - Takes band to Canada, "Grandmother's" (Queen Victoria) country

Next 4 years in Canada. Starts out OK, plenty buffalo, but after a year young bucks war with local tribes

1881 - Returns to U.S.

1883 - Takes his band (187 members) to Standing Rock Reservation

Dec 15, 1890 - Killed by Indian police when he resisted arrest for his part in Ghost Dancing ritual

This is an excellent topic today for the woke type, snowflake, white guilt crowd. A synopsis of the history here reveals Sitting Bull was unable to adapt, was in the way of progress, & was in the end killed by his own people. To the victor go the spoils.

I don't know if you've ever read this book Tom, it's called 'Son of the Morning Star' by Evan S Connell and the son in question is Custer himself, his name given to him by the Indians. It's been around nearly 40 years ago I must have read it but it's a great read and quite an eye opener on the Indians.

I have not read it Art, but I shall look for it. I thought the Injuns called him "yellow hair." I got this posted info from another site about the old west which is an era I truly enjoy reading about. I threw in the woke, white guilt comments because I am constantly "fencing" on line with that type who try to make the Indians noble savages, & pillorying the white Europeans. I know Custer was a brevet general in the Union Army & the youngest general at the time. He was last in in graduating class who are labeled "the goat" by classmates. He was so sure of himself while approaching his last stand battle that he did not take the Gatling Guns along which many experts say would have made a difference. His wife Libby was dedicated to him, never remarried after his death, lived to be 90 years old, & lobbied for his reputation for the rest of her life. They had no children. As I have posted before, I have visited the Little Big Horn battlefield in 2006 on the anniversary & witnessed the re-enactment. It was inspiring. 

Sitting Bull, Hunkpapa Lakota 

June 25, 1876 - Massacres Custer & 200 7th Cavalry troopers at Little Big Horn

Fall, 1876 - Meets with Col. Nelson Miles, U.S. Army to negotiate deal for reservation life. Deal fails

May 5, 1877 - Takes band to Canada, "Grandmother's" (Queen Victoria) country

Next 4 years in Canada. Starts out OK, plenty buffalo, but after a year young bucks war with local tribes

1881 - Returns to U.S.

1883 - Takes his band (187 members) to Standing Rock Reservation

Dec 15, 1890 - Killed by Indian police when he resisted arrest for his part in Ghost Dancing ritual

This is an excellent topic today for the woke type, snowflake, white guilt crowd. A synopsis of the history here reveals Sitting Bull was unable to adapt, was in the way of progress, & was in the end killed by his own people. To the victor go the spoils.

Sitting Bull did adapt and became part of Buffalo Bills Wild West Show and toured the States and Europe for 4 months. He became good friends with Buffalo Bill and trusted him. Before that he took part of his tribe to Canada where their was still buffalo to eat. He though Queen Victoria and the NWMP were fair person. He called Victoria, the Mother Queen. He was killed by the reserve police by accident and really wasn't resisting arrest at the time and I think the accident was when one of the reserves police gun went off inadvertently.

 The ghost dance was a religious movement that swept across Native American populations in the West in the late 19th century. What started as a mystical ritual soon became something of a political movement and a symbol of Native American resistance to a way of life imposed by the U.S. government. Who wouldn't have resisted to the way of life the US government imposed on them. Sitting Bull wasn't just a leader of a small group of wanders, he was the a leader of a nation.

They were causing trouble in Canuckistan just like they did in the Dakotas. Fighting with other tribes, just like they did in the Dakotas, & the RCMP worked in coordination with the U.S. Army to get them back in the states on the reservation. He was the leader of only a small band at the end. 

They were causing trouble in Canuckistan just like they did in the Dakotas. Fighting with other tribes, just like they did in the Dakotas, & the RCMP worked in coordination with the U.S. Army to get them back in the states on the reservation. He was the leader of only a small band at the end. 

Not his group. The young ones broke away from the group and it was them that started fighting with other groups in the area. Reason given was they were more or less bored. In the end he was only leader of a much smaller group, True. Also true that the NWMP worked with the the US army to get them back to the States. (not the RCMP). The US army was in shock when the native showed up at the border with only a few NWMP escorts. I think I read that there was only 3 to 4 NWMP in total.

Another little story about the Little Big Horn was that Custer had employed Native trackers to search out and find where the main group was. One of them was from present day Canada and he survived the battle and took off on his horse as some as he seem the size of the Sitting Bulls group that Custer had decided to attack.

They were causing trouble in Canuckistan just like they did in the Dakotas. Fighting with other tribes, just like they did in the Dakotas, & the RCMP worked in coordination with the U.S. Army to get them back in the states on the reservation. He was the leader of only a small band at the end. 

Not his group. The young ones broke away from the group and it was them that started fighting with other groups in the area. Reason given was they were more or less bored. In the end he was only leader of a much smaller group, True. Also true that the NWMP worked with the the US army to get them back to the States. (not the RCMP). The US army was in shock when the native showed up at the border with only a few NWMP escorts. I think I read that there was only 3 to 4 NWMP in total.

Another little story about the Little Big Horn was that Custer had employed Native trackers to search out and find where the main group was. One of them was from present day Canada and he survived the battle and took off on his horse as some as he seem the size of the Sitting Bulls group that Custer had decided to attack.

Not his group? They were part of his group who fled & he couldn't control them. So the great chief & leader couldn't control his troops? Really lame argument Pete. The redskins are the least accomplished ethnic group on the face of the earth. Even the peace-loving cowardly Canadians put them in concentration camps to try & civilize them. Of course the evil nuns were the best taskmasters for that sort of thing. Pass the whiskey & mail the welfare check & they'll be happy.

Not his group? They were part of his group who fled & he couldn't control them. So the great chief & leader couldn't control his troops? Really lame argument Pete. The redskins are the least accomplished ethnic group on the face of the earth. Even the peace-loving cowardly Canadians put them in concentration camps to try & civilize them. Of course the evil nuns were the best taskmasters for that sort of thing. Pass the whiskey & mail the welfare check & they'll be happy.

Concentration Camps? I don't think I would go that far because there was no fences but Canada is still paying them off for the ones separated from their parents or dropped off at the orphanages front door.

I guess it first started with the Jesuit Missionaries that arrives in New France and thought that they could turn then into being more like Europeans. But it was the Catholics that took it to a whole new degree and though nothing of beating them into change. Probably where the nuns got their skills from. By trying to convert them in a strict way, caused a lot of discontent. While in these schools or orphanages they were faced with many of the white mans diseases and viruses for the first time and there was a lot of deaths. If you were a Nun or Priest you were buried and had a proper head marker or stone but the native children got no more that a small wooden cross to mark their graves and over time, those with age disappeared. Now they are finding with ground pentrating equipment all these unmarked graves around theses school and orphanages which has the natives in a flap and going after the Federal Government for compensation. Million have been doled out already and Trudeau hasn't stopped apologizing to the natives since he took office. As you know, natives never wrote their history done and choice only to pass it on by way of mouth. Like any story told by mouth, it changes as time goes on to make the story more interesting to tell. The Nuns in some of these places kept personal notes but a lot have been lost over the years. Much was passed on to the Vatican but records from there are very hard to get.

Booze of all kind is still big on most reserves but now a days it's hard drugs. Most started with coke and with all the money the Federal and Provincal Governments are handing them they switch to Fentanyl and something call car fentanyl. I think I mentioned before my nieces daughter who is a health careworker has to carry around narcan with her because of so many over doses on the reserve. I'll tell you a funny little story but I guess it's not really funny when you think about it. She gets a call to go to the reserve for an over dose and when she arrives the medics are also just arriving. The medic gives they guy a shot of narcan but nothing happens and the medic checks for a pulse but it is absent. He gives the guy and another shot and still nothing. The medic turns to my nieces daughter and says, well I guess that's it for him. She was just about really to agree when the guy spring up as it nothing has just happened. They tried to talk him into taking him to the small hospital but he won't go and says I'm going back to the party with his friends instead.

If they go to the hospital it's reported and put on record so they don't want that. One weekend the nieces daughter had to use narcan 13 times. These aren't just young ones with the habit. Some are in their late 70's. The reserve is always running out of Narcan. A family of 4 gets over 8 thousand a month and the reserve gives them another 10 thousand to pay their over due hydro bills.

Normally the OPP wouldn't be allowed on the reserve but that has chanced because the reserve police can't handle it. The are bad for not getting auto insurance and for using expired license plates. That's alright if they only stay on the reserve but they don't.

Once a year each member can take a holiday and this group usually go to the Sue and stay in hotels. They also get money for food and $400 bucks to treat themselves to the casino there. They have so much money given to them that they never have to work.

That nieces daughter also sat the other day with the chief and the principal of the catholic school that the native kids attend. The problem is half the kids aren't showing up for class. They were all brain storming on how can they get the kids to attend and finally the chief said I know, we will pay them to come. Every native kid in that school gets a free lap top and a replace if it breaks or is lost and everyone of them has a cell phone no matter what the age paid for by the reserve money. And I quess you know already that natives don't pay any Federal government or provincal sales tax. Everyones dream in Canada is to get adopted into a native family, can you blame them?

Try & shift the blame Pete, but the Canadian government made the final decision on stealing these kids' culture & even lives. How do you pay for that eh? Your holier than thou claims ring hollow here. You are just as bad as any other white guys in charge. It is a gift from God.